Brake Dust Resolution by Lexus
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From: Overland Park, KS
let's give the op an opportunity to explain. after all, i do see various quotes in his post which means those are not his own words...it even appears that they were copied from the actual tsb. but those words came from somewhere, could it be something unique to Canada?
i would say if this tsb turns out to be invalid that the mods amend this post appropriately.
i would say if this tsb turns out to be invalid that the mods amend this post appropriately.
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From: USA
no the hawk pads are not out yet for the is 350 but by the time my breaks need service they should be. tire rack has these available for the is 350.
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/resul...odClar=&brand=
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/resul...odClar=&brand=
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From: FL
Well looks like the jury is out on this one but if it is not listed in an official capacity then to me it does not exist. I paid for a "performance" car and performance braking is part of the deal. I hate that I have to hose my front wheels of every day that I drive the car to work (its 126 miles round trip) but if the alternative is to have less braking power then I will stick with the cleaning. I think an aftermarket solution will help but if I do that I want better braking power from my pads along with less duct (ceramic pads). But please keep us all informed. For some of us the brake dust vs performance issue does not apply, depending on the driver.
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From: Overland Park, KS
i think the jury is still out on the performance decrease. it's not a fact yet.
besides, how do we know there isn't a better brake pad that is better than ours that lexus chose not to use instead giving us the one that we have today which has "somewhat decrease braking performance."
somehow we are able to live with the stock pad which has somewhat decreased braking performance, just because we weren't "told" about it we don't feel any loss. i doubt the new "dustless" brakepad will turn your high-performance car into a slug.
besides, how do we know there isn't a better brake pad that is better than ours that lexus chose not to use instead giving us the one that we have today which has "somewhat decrease braking performance."
somehow we are able to live with the stock pad which has somewhat decreased braking performance, just because we weren't "told" about it we don't feel any loss. i doubt the new "dustless" brakepad will turn your high-performance car into a slug.
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From: BC
let's give the op an opportunity to explain. after all, i do see various quotes in his post which means those are not his own words...it even appears that they were copied from the actual tsb. but those words came from somewhere, could it be something unique to Canada?
i would say if this tsb turns out to be invalid that the mods amend this post appropriately.
i would say if this tsb turns out to be invalid that the mods amend this post appropriately.
I am sorry if my inadvertant ommission of identifying it as Canadian has led to confusion. From the posts it appears that in the US there are different numbering protocols and different TSBs...not sure why this is as the product is essentially the same and the warranties identical. Also not sure why post- manufacturing remedy in this case would not apply to both countries as they seem to in others, e.g. transmission flare in the 2007 ES350.
Hope this clears up the confusion. Thanks for the feedback...thought I was being helpful.
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From: New Jersey
For customers who find this condition objectionable, an alternative brake material has been developed which reduces brake dust generation. These alternative front brake pads should only be installed for customers who are aware that braking performance and feeling may be reduced under certain driving conditions as a result of their usage."
under normal driving, i still think tires are the most important part in the cars braking ability. I might do this, front brake dust is pretty ridiculous, but maybe when they get worn out a little more 
(only got 2100 miles)
(only got 2100 miles)
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From: Overland Park, KS
^^^i agree. i could have the new "may be reduced performance" brake pad and awesome tires and you could have the stock brake pad and so-so tires and i very well may performance brake better than you.
if we are so interested in performance braking, let's take a look at the tires before we look at the brakes. but i understand there is a cost factor to this
if we are so interested in performance braking, let's take a look at the tires before we look at the brakes. but i understand there is a cost factor to this
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This is a Canadian TSB, possibly why is has a different numbering protocol. The original TSB, same number, was issued June 2, 2006, and titled "Alternative Front Brake Pads". The one referenced in the post is labeled "TSB Revision Notice" dated October 5, 2006.
I am sorry if my inadvertant ommission of identifying it as Canadian has led to confusion. From the posts it appears that in the US there are different numbering protocols and different TSBs...not sure why this is as the product is essentially the same and the warranties identical. Also not sure why post- manufacturing remedy in this case would not apply to both countries as they seem to in others, e.g. transmission flare in the 2007 ES350.
Hope this clears up the confusion. Thanks for the feedback...thought I was being helpful.
I am sorry if my inadvertant ommission of identifying it as Canadian has led to confusion. From the posts it appears that in the US there are different numbering protocols and different TSBs...not sure why this is as the product is essentially the same and the warranties identical. Also not sure why post- manufacturing remedy in this case would not apply to both countries as they seem to in others, e.g. transmission flare in the 2007 ES350.
Hope this clears up the confusion. Thanks for the feedback...thought I was being helpful.
