in fact i have sat in a ar with endless 6 before, couple of times to be exact. it works like other bbk. don't get me wrong, i didn't say it's bad, but i am saying it's just like other bbk out there, brembo, stoptech, ap racing, etc....

i even thought about getting that when i was thinking about my ap racing, but for the a lot more expensive price i think most of it goes to the exclusiveness, and that's a big price tag to pay

from what i know (please update me), stoptech front, it's around 2200 probably, ap racing and brembo are around 2700 to 2900, and last time i check the endless is about 3500. for 1300 more than the stoptech, man, that's a lot of money

 

LOL....thats 1300 more to be "Balla" status. Cody is indeed a young balla.

 

What prices are you quoting?

StopTechs (from StopTech) starts at $2600 (14")
APs (from Stillen site) are $3000 (14")
Brembos (from TireRack) are $3200 (14")
Endless from (from Endless) are $3500 (13")

Of course the 13" kits of the other manufactureres are cheaper.

These are roughly street prices. Of course if people have hook ups, then that is different but we can't really use hook up prices for comparisons because the hookups vary.

 

are you sure those are the street prices? i thought 2600 for stoptech that's about the retail? and i remember for sure that a while backi checked on the ap racing brakes the prices were 2700, and i remember that brembo are couple 100s more. endless, when they first came to the US (first set on the gs), it was sky high at around 3800, i know they drop a bit but it's about 3500.

either case, even with the prices you provided, that's almost 1000 more on the endless and it's 1" less on the rotor. big difference i think

 

http://www.sessions-power.com/

 

Street price for the StopTechs start at 2300 (PLP). The APs are the Stillen prices which is about $100 off the retail price. Endless is right off the Endless site so it might be even cheaper when you talk to a dealer. For all of them, I guess maybe we need to compare the 13" prices since the Endless price is for their 13" kit.

 

Thanks Johnny. Do these look like rebadged Project Mu's to you? The pricing is insane like the Project Mu kits.

Session:


Project Mu:

 

Who wants to pay over $3K for a 13" rotor (Endless)? I've no doubt they're great brakes, but my 14" StopTechs are AWESOME in performance and looks.

My neighbor left his Porsche 911 with me for a couple of days this week so I got used to its brakes. Getting back in the GS with my front StopTech 14" BBK - lemme tell ya, it's a very similar experience and I found the pedal response even better on my GS (also have steel lines front/back).

 

that's very good to know

i thought porsche they don't have ss lines stock?

 

after some thoughts...I am gonna go with the stoptech kit (i am gonna choose stoptech over Endless all because stoptech is coming out with a balanced 2 pot rear setup)....i would totally jump on endless if they actually had a rear kit for the GS....I know there is the racing supra setup....but 9k is just unjustifiable....where is the best place to purchase a stoptech 355 mm 4 piston drilled rotors (gold caliper (i want to go with something different, plus my tein cs strut is gold..))? I need to place my order soon cuz the street car showoff is coming soon. if anyone knows of a good place...let me know...thanks a lot!

cody

 

Tm Engineering
http://www.tmengineering.net/
email: todd@tmengineering.net

 

Endless kits are direct bolt on kits with no need to upgrade the master
cylinder. Our calipers do not use unnecessarily large-diameter pistons. The
volume of fluid pushed within a single pedal travel is generally the same.
Usually, stock OEM single piston calipers are very large in diameter. Our
piston diameters (each piston) are generally smaller than that of a stock
OEM single piston diameter. Of course, the plural piston caliper (4 or 6)
has superior braking feel and helps to avoid tapered pad wear. If we were to
use a larger diameter piston, the braking power may potentially be greater,
but the pedal feel would be softer (mushy) and pedal travel would be longer.
The fact that our pistons are sized correctly (not too big), along with
other variables such as the rigidity of the caliper body, quality brake
lines and brake pad compounds, ensures great braking feel with similar pedal
travel and force as that of a standard caliper.

Endless calipers are 2-pieced and produced of a lightweight forged
aluminum with a highly advanced alumite finish. This finish is resistant to
heat and will never fade or crack.

Endless uses both "floating-type" and "fixed-type" rotors depending on
your preference. With a floating-type, the mounting points (pin holes)
between the disc rotor surface and the disc hat (or bell) are designed in a
manner that allows for growth/expansion for a more stable system (approx.
0.3~0.5 mm gap). At very high temperatures, metal expands causing pressure,
possible warpage and uneven wear between pad surface and disc rotor surface.
A floating-type disc rotor may help to reduce these problems. There's not
too much of a significant difference in terms of heat resistance levels,
however cooling is much superior with a 2-Piece (Floating or Fixed) Disc
Rotor as opposed to a 1-Piece Rotor. Floating-types have less heat transfer
while fixed types are a little easier to maintain and induce less noise.

Endless and Zeal rotors are heat treated with a special compound which
allows them to resist any type of warpage or fading under high temperatures.
Additionally, this special coating reacts with the materials in our brake
pads to create the proper friction between pad and rotor, increasing the
effectiveness of the two components.

All Endless / Zeal rotors are internally veined and may be slotted.
Endless does not use cross-drilled rotors because of the tendency of
hairline cracks to form. Additionally, cross-drilled rotors are only
effective when used in conjunction with a pad compound that secretes gases
which allow them to cool. Instead, Endless offers various types of slotted
rotors including the Super Disc 3 curved slot rotor, Straight 6 rotor and 24
Slit rotor.

Contrary to popular belief, upgrading the front brakes only may not
always upset brake bias. Since vehicles have a front weight bias under
braking, extra braking power is needed at the front more so than the rear.
Of course, we always recommend upgrading rotors and brake pads at the rear
when a rear brake kit is not available.

Above all else, we at Endless price ourselves in our brake pads. Endless
Japan uses materials found in the earth specific to their location. These
materials help create a brake pad which is far superior than any other.
Initial response, fade resistance, modulation, resistance to heat are some
of the things taken into account when producing a compound. One of the tests
which prove this point is that of the brake dynamometer. As pad compounds
from various other companies were placed on the brake dynamometer the
braking force measured was erratic and not very consistant. Endless
compounds show a graph that is very smooth, linear and consistant. These
tests are done intently to create compounds that perform and feel like none
other.

 

cody, email todd@tmengineering.net about it

tell him henry refers you, he knows the rest

 

What Henry said. Todd is the way to go.

Just got my StopTechs ordered for the wifeys IS.

Great deal from Todd and Stop Tech turns around the order pretty quick too.

 

I bought my Stoptech BBK at ProLexPerformance. Great price and service!