GSteg

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Hence why the 2GR-FSE is a direct injection engine while the Camry, Rav4, etc do not get that feature. It also makes more power than those cars and have a higher potential to dish out more power if Toyota feels the need to. The IS350's transmission is worlds better than the A650E that belongs in the early SC430 and LS430. Higher efficiency, better geared for acceleration without compromising fuel economy, and quicker shifts. There is no reason to want the 5spd auto when the 6spd does everything better.

Not sure why you would want to put the 'running gear' of an SC into an IS. If anything, it makes the IS slower.

The comparison is not silly at all, considering it directly answers the OP's question.

KaiserSea1

If you truly believe that Lexus is putting a better engine and tranny in cars that cost half the price of the SC I give you thread, nothing more I can offer. It is like trying to explain why a 4oz filet mignon is better than 4 pounds of salisbury steak!

Prestige77

LOL I drove a Corvette for years, and always read how the guys in Camaros and Firebirds claimed it was just the same. Car manufacturers make poor mans sports cars as sort of a gateway drug hoping when these buyers get older and richer they will move up to the big league. Even though the SC costs twice as much, we make much more on the IS and ES because buyers don't tend to keep cheaper cars as long. I have an IS350 on our lot that we have sold three times, and made a good profit each time. They buy an IS because they want Lexus branding, but figure out they don't get the respect from people because it is not an expensive car. I can't tell you how many people have traded IS and ES models for Jags, which are truly bad cars, because they want the status they thought they would get with the Jr. Lexus.

Let the IS owners have their due, they bought what they can afford, and it is fun to challenge guys who bought the status cars. Guys who own cars like the IS, RSX, TSX, C Class, and BMW 1 are a car salesman's dream. They will never go back to Toyota, VW, or Honda, and now that they have had a taste of Lux brands, they are primed to trade up.

GSteg

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Of course Toyota is putting a better designed transmission and engine in the IS, because times have changed and they need to keep up with the competition. You have V6s that rivals the output of V8s a decade ago, and the IS350 and SC430 are no exception. It's nonsense to think the SC gets all the goodies just because it cost more. The two cars belong in different generations so it's not hard to believe that the IS gets a newer drivetrain.

You pay more for the convertible feature, interior quality, and exclusivity in the SC430, not performance.

Care to explain why the engine/transmission is better in the SC430 than the IS350? I am very familiar with the V8 UZ-series engine since I work on my own extensively, but I would be blind to think it's better because it was Toyota's gem engine.

And another thing to note, your transmission is the exact same one that came with the Lexus IS300, yes, the car that cost half the price

scorpio74

OK, I just smoked the new Infiniti coupe G37 yesterday on the highway. I was going about 65-70 when this young guy approached really fast from behind. He slowed down to match my speed and looked over. We both knew what to do. I put my gear in manual mode and hit the gas. Both cars were parallel up to 100 and that was it for him. After the 100 mile mark, the sc430 took over big time. I hit 120 and he was about 10-15 cars behind.
So to say the IS350 is faster is nonsense!

lamar411

IS350 is faster hands down. 100% IS350 will kick *** in 0-60. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7-Ht39T4Ms

At the higher speeds who knows.

MiiK350

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQufmpCwI6I

Despite my late take off(IS350), I caught up and won.

Hoovey689

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Haha always repp'n us well MiiK350!!!

Peter_Klim

I'm a little lost...

Your SC430 beat a G37. So how does the IS350 fit in this story?

PHXSC

I guess the IS guys are having filet tonight, and you're having crow.

KaiserSea1

There are different classes of cars and different classes of people. It appears you can distinguish neither.

Hoovey689

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That V8, tho aging is gonna beat the 37 on the top end. Gotta love torque!! IS350 and G will take the SC from a dig easy (especially the 350 with it's crazy gearing). From a 60-80mph roll is a different story, and the SC is gonna pull hard

scdroptop

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Gang-I think we are comparing apples and pineapples here! 350ISC vs SC430 vs G37 Convertible YES, but comparing a 300lb lighter v-6 sedan with modern tech, tranny etc to a much older 2002 SC GT convertible with no manumatic or paddles, a V-8 etc is bananas!! I have driven all three 300hp cars and the G/IS in sedans, coupe and convertible and have to say that they are all relatively "fast" but the newer cars with the more sophisticated tranny would win. G37 is 200lbs lighter and 30hp more. With a good launch, the SC wouldn't have a chance! We are splitting hairs on the data but the bottom line is that these are not equal comparisons.

I think we've exhausted the discussions on what the SC is NOT and I believe us SC'ers love it not for the speed, but the beauty, craftmanship, dependability and style/class. I would imagine IS sedan owners love it for the tech, speed, sportiness and utility (4 door, rear seats, AWD in some, etc). What would the SC460 or SC570 be like if it had come out? Who knows. Different generations, models, etc.

Can't compare the two...sorry!

Prestige77

My dream car is a classic E type. A corolla is faster, more reliable, and light years ahead of the Jag in every measurable way. That comparison is why this thread is so ridiculous. The IS can be faster, have more cup holders, and even be more practical. Thing is I would not want to drive an IS, WRX, G37 etc. They don't have the style, craftsmanship, and don't suit my professional needs. How can I sell a Ferrari, when I am driving a kind of ugly boy racer. I would never try to convince an owner of an E type that my SC is better, it is not. People buy cars for different reasons not necessarily better ones.

GSteg

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The thread is about why the IS350 is faster than the SC430, not if the IS350 is a better car than the SC430 We already know why the SC cost more so let us not drift away from the OP's original question