Lex, did the rep explain to you how they are different? I've dealt with dozens of reps and I've never trusted a single one of them. Their main job is boosting sales and marketing and that means talking up their company/client company all day. So unless they give me a thorough explanation as to why, I take their insight with a grain of salt.

 

LexLuthor,

Lex Lex! Come on..you're a long time member of the forum, and u know I wouldn't say nothing about it unless there was some basis behind it.

Really..I mean what ELSE do u expect an Optima sales rep to say?
OH YES..u caught us..we're just trying to dupe all of you and rip you off.

Batterie's are NOT that much different at least for Cars...
And definitely whatever inherent differences there are, they aren't justified by their Price.

ANd like Lex400sc said...have him PROVE why they are so much better and justify an almost 40% price difference.

Thanks PerryinLA...it's funny how thinking outside the box is rare eh?

If I were to go w/anyone, it would be a sales rep who is not PAID by that manufacturer to say anything. People who can choose whatever they want.

And the exides are not COPIES of the optimas. They ARE the optima batteries. JUST rebadged.
NOt a cheap imitation if it actually IS the item in question.

MY Car stereo installer, and my mechanc, who have no affilication w/one manufacturer all say the same thing.

So I mean..if what you are saying is true, have your sales rep guy PROVE why he is so right...
and if he is..I have no problem acknowledging that.

But as long as he can't prove it..I'll go w/what the unbiased retail people go with.

 

I just replaced a red top after 7 years with another red top. I only replaced it because I went new on everything I could during my turbo install project, and put the old one in a beater. It doesnt really matter to me what a sales rep says, I'd buy another just because of past experience. My 2cents


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I agree!

From the Optima Website:

OPTIMA Batteries, is a Colorado based company that is proud to be manufacturing a revolutionary product that is rapidly becoming the world wide standard for electrochemical power sources. The OPTIMA® battery was first developed by engineers at Denver's Gates Rubber Company in the early 1970's. Research and development continued during the 70's and 80's. In 1992, the OPTIMA research and manufacturing operation was acquired by the Gylling Group of Scandinavia. The Gylling Group built a new manufacturing plant and corporate headquarters near Denver International Airport.
On November 1, 2000, Johnson Controls, Inc. purchased OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. from the Gylling Group of Scandinavia.

Today, Colorado-made OPTIMA batteries are sold and shipped from Denver to dealers and distributors in 60 countries throughout the world, including Africa, Asia, Europe, Middle East and South America.

OPTIMA BATTERIES® AND OPTIMA SPIRALCELL TECHNOLOGY® are registered trademarks owned by Johnson Controls, Inc.

BTW Use a RedTop for normal usage, and the YellowTop if you have a high current draw or leave your car parked for extended periods. I have a Yellow Top and just love it! I don't know why anyone would warn against them! Do your homework!!!

 

A hello? What exactly do u think that they would say on the OPTIMA website?

"Hi...we just rebadge our stuff..and it's just to rip u off..we admit it"
OF COURSE they'd write what you posted...

U think all Mercedes/Lexus parts are all original?
Those Kompressor superchargers are all original factory?
EVERYTHING in this manufacturing world is outsourced.

And then repackaged and marketed a different way to appear NEW and REVOLUTIONARY.

IF this is not totally apparent..then hey..more power to you..

 

There's "outside the box" and then there's "outside reality" ...

In this litiginous society, do you REALY think somebody could claim to be the owner of a product, have the legally registered trademarks for it, and NOT be the legitimate manufacturers of it????? Why do believe the people YOU believe? Because THEY TOLD you something? What is their proof? Their TRADEMARKs, etc.,etc.??? Do you REALLY believe that if Exide owned the rights to this battery that they wouldn't be suing the sh%t out of Optima for claiming to own it????

Somebody needs to get their head out of their @ss and see the world for what it is ...

 

instead of arguing post the battery specs for the exide and optima. that will solve the argument.

 

Wmuli..again taking this WAY to seriously.

The whole point is that you guys think it's blasphey that people LICENSE out the same product.]
Who's to say OPTIMA isn't also associated w/EXIDE?? Why is that such an impossiblity?
Why would exide sue optima if they are both benefiting and are in together w/this to reach different markets?

It's like in the clothing industry...there are certain name brands that are the same
as certain non namebrands of the same kind. They're just repackaged and remarketed differently.
ANother example. The mitubishi eclipse was rebradned as the eagle talon.....think along those lines..YOu just need to know where to find em.

NO need for this "head out of your ***" comments like that...
Just really sad that u need to resort to that.

This is JUST a discussion..this ain't a fight...take a chill pill.

AND I BELIEVE what the people I know say because they are not SPONSORED or AFFILIATED w/one particular company and don't NEED to say what they say. They're saying it w/what products work to the applications they use. AND the KRAGEN guys, the car stereo guys, and my body shop all say, that most of the batteries(outside of possibly stereo competition)...are not that far apart and to them...the optima batter and exide are essentially the same thing and rebadged. Take it w/a grain of salt

I don't THINK the OPTIMA people or website can claim unbias when it's their company that's writing their paycheks.

ANd like VS said...if anyone WANTS to find out..they can go test the batts for themselves and let what be what.

And W...LIKE I SAID....if you like the OPTMA and swear by it..then don't let anyone stop you..no matter what they say...

Again...no need to go there

 

Eibach makes springs for many other springs companies, Panasonic makes DVD players for Denon, Sylvania makses VCRs for Mitsubishi, Hitachi makes plasma TVs for Panasonic, Mission makes speakers for Denon, a whole volley of offshore companies you've never heard of make products for Sony. Of all the hundreds of tire brands out there, there are only a handful of actual manufacturers. Subcontracting is a part of business. This is not news. Safeway Select isn't a huge corporation that makes thousands of food products, it is a repackaging company.

 

Lex400sc

My sentiments exactly. I guess it's hard for some other people to think this way.

 

Anthracite, you're wrong, and the way you're suspect of what's on their website makes you sound like one of these guys that thinks NASA faked the moon landings . For the record, Optima has never been sold under any other name other than Interstate, who was contracted through Optima to sell them through Interstate dealers, they were the exact same battery with the exception of the label. This is no longer the case and the Optima is now only sold as an Optima, anything else is a copy. Be positive you know what you're talking about before being so sure of yourself. One of the major differences between the Optima and the other manufacturers is the gauge of the plate which runs along the underside of the top cover and connects to the terminals on one end and the spiral cel on the other. Copies are notorious for being constructed of thinner material in this area, and have been the number cause for warranty claims for these companies. Kay??

For the record, I use the D34 Blue Top Deep Cycle...

 

That's fine. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong..that's cool.
But if anyone wants to find out for themselves they can just test the two batteries and just for comparison see if the Optima only battery provides such greater performance for it's price.

I don't have a problem acknowledging if it's wrong.
HOWEVER...like the point Lex400sc makes....lots of products are outsourced and you never hear about them. Doesn't mean it's something outrageous like claming the moon landings were fake...I think that's what was being interpreted..now what I was trying to convey.

.it's not out of the question either and not OUT OF REALITY like WMULI said.

 

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intent. It's just that statements like these, where someone claims to be thinking objectively (i.e., outside the box), and then generalizes anyway in the face of evidence, and THEN blows off the evidence as if it were irrelevent, sorry, that BUGS me!

People believe what they WANT to believe. Some because of facts, others in spite of 'em.

Again, nothing personal, just don't like to let inaccuracies slip by unchallenged ..

I'll go take my chill pill now

 

crap.... I got Toyota markings all over my windows and other places..... it must not be a Lexus then ...

 

You guy's would hate to know that there are only 3 raw frame manufacturers in the world for car audio subwoofers right now.

and....

We already decided they faked it didnt we?
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