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Old May 10, 2018 | 04:49 AM
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Why wouldn't all the RX's have the same timing issue? Some people say their car drives fine, others say it's crap.
My guess is that some people have a heavier foot than others.

I used to say that I never noticed the jerkiness on mine, but now I did when I press more on the pedal on starts. But now when I am a bit more on the hurry, I switch to Sport mode instead of Echo, and it does it for me.

If I am more conservative, I notice nothing in Eco mode. And it is fine with me.

But when I read about the power tune getting more millage, that makes me interested.
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Old May 10, 2018 | 05:08 AM
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Can’t answer that, maybe Lexus has a batch of faulty ecm’s, could be something else. But until Lexus finds a fix, and I don’t expect that any time soon since this has been a problem since 2016, this appears to be a solution. I am a little bored since retirement, so I have plenty of tIme to deal with this.i have checked with all the more popular tuning manufacturers, and no one is producing product for the Lexus.this is the only one at present.I can’t understand why everyone is so reluctant to try this. It’s cheap and it works. Reminds me of all the professors who brought cars to my shop, if a repair was to cheap, they did not trust it.i was po’d whenlexus told me they had no fix, but I found one on my on. It is ‘CHEAP’, that does not mean it is bad, it WORKS on my rx, will most likely work on yours. I personally read the review on this product, they dis-assembled it and found an inexpensive processor inside, they made a statement with so little memory it could not do much, they are correct, it does not have to do anything but alter the timing profile. And it does. With my shop in a university town, I had to deal with a lot of educated idiots. I feel Ike I am back at work.

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Old May 10, 2018 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PeeVee
My guess is that some people have a heavier foot than others.

I used to say that I never noticed the jerkiness on mine, but now I did when I press more on the pedal on starts. But now when I am a bit more on the hurry, I switch to Sport mode instead of Echo, and it does it for me.

If I am more conservative, I notice nothing in Eco mode. And it is fine with me.

But when I read about the power tune getting more millage, that makes me interested.
Exactly PeeVee, I notice the same thing, drive around my country town where life is slow and the changes are fine as I only drive gently, go to Sydney (Aust) where it's very fast paced and trying to keep up with the traffic means poor downchanges as the car has changed up gear to soon. Like you say put it in Sport and it's good again. I've learnt now how to drive it and what mode is best for the conditions and very happy with it like that as the rest of the car is great in my eyes.

Did you see this link from above, read it and I think you'll be less interested in that module.
http://www.performancechipreviews.co...formance-chip/
http://www.performancechipreviews.co...formance-chip/
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Old May 10, 2018 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GSFRX350
Did you see this link from above, read it and I think you'll be less interested in that module.
http://www.performancechipreviews.co...formance-chip/

Thanks! It says it all!
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Old May 10, 2018 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fgcain
Can’t answer that, maybe Lexus has a batch of faulty ecm’s, could be something else. But until Lexus finds a fix, and I don’t expect that any time soon since this has been a problem since 2016, this appears to be a solution. I am a little bored since retirement, so I have plenty of tIme to deal with this.i have checked with all the more popular tuning manufacturers, and no one is producing product for the Lexus.this is the only one at present.I can’t understand why everyone is so reluctant to try this. It’s cheap and it works. Reminds me of all the professors who brought cars to my shop, if a repair was to cheap, they did not trust it.i was po’d whenlexus told me they had no fix, but I found one on my on. It is ‘CHEAP’, that does not mean it is bad, it WORKS on my rx, will most likely work on yours. I personally read the review on this product, they dis-assembled it and found an inexpensive processor inside, they made a statement with so little memory it could not do much, they are correct, it does not have to do anything but alter the timing profile. And it does. With my shop in a university town, I had to deal with a lot of educated idiots. I feel Ike I am back at work.


I'd be reluctant to attach anything that's connected to a cars electrical system in 2018 when so much computer control is now used. Especially an expensive car with all the gizmos this RX has.

I've read all your posts and happy for you that it works. I feel the RX drives the way it was designed, it's a Lexus, a refined vehicle for comfortable cruising on the freeway or a sedate drive into the city for a business meeting. Drive it gently in Normal mode and it's fine, don't expect too much get up and go, it does weigh 4400 odd pounds, she's overweight. If you want more performance that's what Sports/Sports+ is for, use those modes and spirited driving is great, changes happen as expected. I think this has a lot to do with the way the Japanese see driving compared to the US/Canada/Australia. Yes I know other cars aren't this fussy, maybe the Japanese have got the software wrong slightly but also remember that numerous other 8 speed cars have issues too apparently from what I've read on here.

I bought my RX used, 18,000 km on it, an ex-Lexus head office vehicle - it seemed to drive fine around the unfamiliar dealership area but when I took delivery and drove the 1.5 hours home the hesitation started to show. Once in my familiar area it was obvious it had issues, so started trying different octane fuel, driving differently to allow for the unusual gear changes, trying other fuel again, switching to Sport, then Eco, then Normal and for a while it would seem okay but then back to awful. At the 30,000 km service I mentioned the issue, they found nothing wrong but did reset the ECM and wow, a different car, it was obviously better and once back to familiar territory it felt great - mostly. That's when I realised the car has two personas, drive gently and it's fine in Normal mode, want to go faster put it in Sport. The moral of my story is I feel this learning transmission is trying to be too smart - I bought the car used so it was use to another person driving, I started driving it, felt unhappy with it and kept changing fuels and driving techniques which basically kept changing that learning pattern and screwing up the whole process, at the service the ECM was reset and back to standard and has been great since (if I use the appropriate mode for the conditions). Anyway that's my story - maybe the US models have a more fuel efficient mapping as I know economy is a big thing over there, this would mean sooner up-changes then ideal but better headline fuel consumption, and this may mean even more poor driving characteristics compared to ours.

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Old May 10, 2018 | 05:57 AM
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It may be just a placebo effect...
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Old May 10, 2018 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GSFRX350
Curious....are you the only regular driver of the car and do you drive mostly the same ie: always hard and fast, or always gentle and slower.
I'm the only driver. When I'm alone, I like to put it in Sport and drive a bit more aggressively. If my wife is with me, I leave it in Normal and drive, well, normally.
While I like the response in Sport, I don't have any issues in Normal mode.
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Old May 10, 2018 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PeeVee
My guess is that some people have a heavier foot than others.
I used to say that I never noticed the jerkiness on mine, but now I did when I press more on the pedal on starts. But now when I am a bit more on the hurry, I switch to Sport mode instead of Echo, and it does it for me.
If I am more conservative, I notice nothing in Eco mode. And it is fine with me.
But when I read about the power tune getting more millage, that makes me interested.
I hate eco mode!! Have no problems in normal & sport, but eco seems to dull the sensors of the throttle and the consequence is jerks and lags. Better stay off it, it's there mainly to appease the MPG fans and NOT those who enjoy driving.

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Old May 10, 2018 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PeeVee
It may be just a placebo effect...
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Placebo is indeed a powerful effect!
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Old May 12, 2018 | 08:06 PM
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I've been so annoyed with this issue that I decided to try the powertune. I live on top of a hill and feel the hesitation every single time I drive the Rx. After plugging in the powertune, the hesitation is completely gone. It almost feels like driving in sport mode but without the senstive gas pedal. The rx definitely holds the gears long enough to stop the issue while going uphill. I took it on the highway this morning and there is a huge difference. No more hard downshifting when I floor it on the highway.

Now I'm waiting for exhaust replacement part to come on to get rid of the drone. I also noticed less drone after installing. Before powertune, the Rx would shift below 2000 rpm and after installing, it shifts above 2000 rpm. I tested it at least 10 times tonight. To test the placebo effect, I removed the powertune and drove the same route right after and the hesitation was definitely back.

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Old May 13, 2018 | 08:33 AM
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It has been a week and I am still enjoying the “ Placebo Effect”. Hopefully it will continue to make my mind feel better when I am driving. It is nice to “imagine” the shift points and hesitation working correctly like a Lexus should drive. Maybe it will make a few other owners feel better about their drives!��
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Old May 14, 2018 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Fgcain
Use the plug in , it works. If you want to complain, complain. It’s a fact that Lexus has messed up with these cars, but there is a cheap fix, it works better than expected, and makes my rx a joy to drive. No , I do not work for powertune, I am just a Lexus owner, who retired from owning an auto repair shop for 37 years, common sense in diagnosing the cause, low ignition timing, knowledge, gained in 37 years of experience And wisdom to know what to look for. I know most of you want to have a pity party, but when you are finished just buy the plug in.

Good morning! I read your post above and I'll alf for trying this and happy there is finally a fix. My delimma...I have no idea what to do about installing this plugin ie, where do I install it or do I need a mechanic to do it or do I bring it to Lexus? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
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Old May 14, 2018 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajnbabe
Good morning! I read your post above and I'll alf for trying this and happy there is finally a fix. My delimma...I have no idea what to do about installing this plugin ie, where do I install it or do I need a mechanic to do it or do I bring it to Lexus? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
Watch this video to locate the port. There are install instructions in the box and should take no more than 3 minutes to complete the install.

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Old May 15, 2018 | 06:13 PM
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folks are kidding right? a $70 chip will all of a sudden make a 60k car better....not. read the clip above again.>. are these the same people who put those silly turbine air cyclones in their air intake because it said theyd get improved mpg.....sheesh. unless someone can provide a statistical twst on a dyno machine or other objective measurement, lets move on from this silly scam.....ps...theres an investment with 20% return if you want to put your money in border walls...go for it!
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Old May 16, 2018 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mcfancy
folks are kidding right? a $70 chip will all of a sudden make a 60k car better....not. read the clip above again.>. are these the same people who put those silly turbine air cyclones in their air intake because it said theyd get improved mpg.....sheesh. unless someone can provide a statistical twst on a dyno machine or other objective measurement, lets move on from this silly scam.....ps...theres an investment with 20% return if you want to put your money in border walls...go for it!
No correlation between cost of fix and cost of vehicle. Could argue the car is $60k as that's what the market willing to pay, not what it's parts are 'worth'. Would probably be a shock to see how cheap these cars actually cost them. I had previous car with an aftermarket 'retune' of the transmission (was free), albeit a sports car, and it made a huge difference. Not saying this unit for sale will make a difference, but, for those with issue, may be worth try. I have no skin in the selling of them of otherwise, just past experience with a tune from the port that made one. Lexus sells so many RX's, it would be hard for them to care very much in tweaking perfection.

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