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I've finally pushed my tires to the max, as I'm coming up on 30K miles on my stock Michelin Pilot SS. I was about to order the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, but the tire shop was telling me those are actually cheap tires. I was shocked! He said the Toyo Proxes 4+ is a better made tire and will last longer. Now I'm thinking when he says better, does he mean just last longer or better performing.
Out here in Southern California, I noticed most tire shops push for Toyo. Granted, they are made in Japan and Michilin are made in the US so that does say something on quality, respectively. I'm just curious if anybody else was running the Toyo Proxes 4+. I remember we talked about this in another thread, and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is a solid performing tire.
OK, first off your tire dealer is FOS. Second, the Proxes 4 Plus are are a High Performance All Season tire. The Michelin PS 4S is a Max Performance Summer Tire. Two different categories. According to Tire Rack the PS 4S rate at the top of the class. The Toyo Proxes 1, Toyo's Max Performance Summer tire is not yet rated. Neither is the Proxes 4 Plus. See charts attached.
Max Performance Summer:
High Performance All Season
BTW, I run the Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position tire and like it a lot. IMHO, you DO NOT want an All Season tire!
Will the All Season tire last longer - Yes. But, handling is far more important to me. If you stay with the Michelins, go with the XL tires not the stock SL tires. XL tires have a stiffer sidewall, and will handle better than SL.
Last edited by flowrider; Dec 7, 2018 at 12:30 PM.
I ran 4S on my C7 and just bought a set for the RCF. That's the first time i've ever heard the Michelin 4s bashed like that. It depends on how you plan to use the tires, but if you liked the original PSS's you will not have any probs out of the 4S. Toyo is not even in the same discussion, but just my 2 cents. Tons of M's, GTR's, Vettes, and high end sports cars run them. Never really seen anyone on any of those boards say they had to have a set of Toyo's.
Michelin PS4S they are bazillion times better than our mushy stock PSS tires that have low load rating (soft sidewalls). If you like the MPSS then you will love the MPS4S.
I call BS. Every time I have ever strayed from Michelin for another brand I have always regretted it. There were always unforeseen trade-offs. Either the ride was worse, the road noise was worse, the traction was worse or sometimes all of the above. The Michelins may or may not wear out quicker, but I find that the traction, noise and ride quality is the best.
If traction is your main concern, stick which Pilot Super Sports or Cup 2 tires (track). I can't speak for the P4S tires as I haven't tried them yet. But from the reviews I've seen I'm sure they are equal to or better than the older PSS. My next set of tires will be the P4S.
Also, newer Corvettes own the track. They have the highest lateral Gs on the skid pad. What tires come on a stock Vette? Michelins.
I call BS. Every time I have ever strayed from Michelin for another brand I have always regretted it. There were always unforeseen trade-offs. Either the ride was worse, the road noise was worse, the traction was worse or sometimes all of the above. The Michelins may or may not wear out quicker, but I find that the traction, noise and ride quality is the best.
If traction is your main concern, stick which Pilot Super Sports or Cup 2 tires (track). I can't speak for the P4S tires as I haven't tried them yet. But from the reviews I've seen I'm sure they are equal to or better than the older PSS. My next set of tires will be the P4S.
Also, newer Corvettes own the track. They have the highest lateral Gs on the skid pad. What tires come on a stock Vette? Michelins.
Depends on what you're looking for in a tire but I think PSS are pretty ehhh (better than a lot of other tires but I personally do not like them). They're too soft and not responsive - mine are getting close to the end of their life and they're so damn loud now. I drove my friend's car with P4S and it's a night and day difference. I plan on switching to P4S but have to ride these PSS out for 3-4 more months since my SSRs won't be in until then.
Depends on what you're looking for in a tire but I think PSS are pretty ehhh (better than a lot of other tires but I personally do not like them). They're too soft and not responsive - mine are getting close to the end of their life and they're so damn loud now. I drove my friend's car with P4S and it's a night and day difference. I plan on switching to P4S but have to ride these PSS out for 3-4 more months since my SSRs won't be in until then.
Does that mean you prefer the Toyo tires to the PSS?
Oh, when I ordered replacement PSS after the stock tires were worn down. The replacement tires had a higher load rating (stiffer sidewall). Maybe that's all you need?
Does that mean you prefer the Toyo tires to the PSS?
Oh, when I ordered replacement PSS after the stock tires were worn down. The replacement tires had a higher load rating (stiffer sidewall). Maybe that's all you need?
I've done comparisons with the PSS vs P4S and I think the P4S blows the PSS out of the water. Worth the extra money in my opinion but I do a lot of spirited driving (like 90%) - if you just need daily duty and a little more then I'd recommend just saving your money and running a different tire. I run the Hankook Ventus V12 on my other car because the performance on them for the price is honestly pretty incredible. I've also heard great things about the Indy 500 Firehawk tires from a few local IS-F guys so I may consider trying those also.
I still think overall Michelin is better than Toyo aside from their R compound tires (those R888/R888R tires are pretty insane).
I had a feeling he was, as I said they seem to push Toyo very hard around here. I just figure I would voice it out on here, and I got the confirmation from you guys as expected. The Michelin tires have been ordered and should be here in a day or two. Looking forward to getting them on.
I've done comparisons with the PSS vs P4S and I think the P4S blows the PSS out of the water. Worth the extra money in my opinion but I do a lot of spirited driving (like 90%) - if you just need daily duty and a little more then I'd recommend just saving your money and running a different tire. I run the Hankook Ventus V12 on my other car because the performance on them for the price is honestly pretty incredible. I've also heard great things about the Indy 500 Firehawk tires from a few local IS-F guys so I may consider trying those also.
I still think overall Michelin is better than Toyo aside from their R compound tires (those R888/R888R tires are pretty insane).
I've yet to try the P4S, but will as soon as my new RC F arrives. But I've been happy with my PSS and the all season version (A/S3+) in the colder months in South Florida. Summer tires are like hockey pucks when it gets below 50 degrees. I'm in a country setting so I drive spirited 90%+ of the time. I only have to deal with traffic if I go into town. I have hit my speed limiter many times. If you search the forums here you'll find that I was the first to post a video of the GPS verified top speed of the RC F. The PSS have served me well at high speeds.
I've done comparisons with the PSS vs P4S and I think the P4S blows the PSS out of the water. Worth the extra money in my opinion but I do a lot of spirited driving (like 90%) - if you just need daily duty and a little more then I'd recommend just saving your money and running a different tire. I run the Hankook Ventus V12 on my other car because the performance on them for the price is honestly pretty incredible. I've also heard great things about the Indy 500 Firehawk tires from a few local IS-F guys so I may consider trying those also.
I still think overall Michelin is better than Toyo aside from their R compound tires (those R888/R888R tires are pretty insane).
R888r for the win!!
Doable for daily driving if you can stand the short life span.
pretty loud road noise tho..
I've yet to try the P4S, but will as soon as my new RC F arrives. But I've been happy with my PSS and the all season version (A/S3+) in the colder months in South Florida. Summer tires are like hockey pucks when it gets below 50 degrees. I'm in a country setting so I drive spirited 90%+ of the time. I only have to deal with traffic if I go into town. I have hit my speed limiter many times. If you search the forums here you'll find that I was the first to post a video of the GPS verified top speed of the RC F. The PSS have served me well at high speeds.
Yeah if you’re driving mostly straightaways or wide high speed roads then either PSS/P4S will do what you need just fine!
I do most of my driving in windy mountain roads which is why I lean towards the P4S.
Originally Posted by Mingofish
R888r for the win!!
Doable for daily driving if you can stand the short life span.
pretty loud road noise tho..
Yes! They’re crazy tires haha but they have such a short life. Hard to justify spending the same coin for nearly 3x less mileage
I had a feeling he was, as I said they seem to push Toyo very hard around here. I just figure I would voice it out on here, and I got the confirmation from you guys as expected. The Michelin tires have been ordered and should be here in a day or two. Looking forward to getting them on.
Can you write a review as soon as you drive with the new MPS4S on? Would like to hear your impressions. Thanks.
I’ve had both. Now running the SC stage 2 and 640 whp, I can without a doubt PS4 is your tire. I tracked Watkins Glen on the SC setup with PS4s in the rain, and it was more than fine. The PS4 is legitimately the best tire on the market in its class. I had Toyo’s ( proxy sports ) on my first set of 20s. Not a bad tire, but the PS4 is def more performance oriented. With my -2.8 in the rear I’m seeing about 12-15k miles which is a solid for my setup. For the track next year, I’ll be running r comps and can report more.
Michelin VS Toyo
