ok.. just an observation...
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ok.. just an observation...
been a long time since i have been here.
still have my 2008 USB F. 75k miles and still the best car I have ever - EVER owned. Thanks to Joe-Z this car still makes me smile every day I drive it.
seriously considering the RC-F this fall (moved back to Florida finally - no more Colorado winters!)
but
has anyone noticed how many RC-F's there are on the used market??
It's just an observation - i'm not implying anything... but honestly it's kind of scary to see 33 used RC-Fs sitting on cars.com so quick.
doug
still have my 2008 USB F. 75k miles and still the best car I have ever - EVER owned. Thanks to Joe-Z this car still makes me smile every day I drive it.
seriously considering the RC-F this fall (moved back to Florida finally - no more Colorado winters!)
but
has anyone noticed how many RC-F's there are on the used market??
It's just an observation - i'm not implying anything... but honestly it's kind of scary to see 33 used RC-Fs sitting on cars.com so quick.
doug
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Not surprising. Its economics 101. There's little demand for the RC-F. The buyers in this market segment flock to the M4. This means a couple of things. First, the RC-F is going to depreciate more rapidly than normal (about 17% deprecation per year is the standard) and second the used market for the RC-F will be a gold mine for a potential buyer b/c high supply will drive prices down.
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good point - but it's nice when i go and look up dealer trade value on my car and see it's worth 1/2 what I paid for it nearly 8 years ago (!)
i always liked the F because you didn't see yourself coming and going down the road.... i guess that's what really drives me to the RC-F.... just not very many.
Speaking of -- has anyone leaked production counts on the RC-F for 2015?
d
i always liked the F because you didn't see yourself coming and going down the road.... i guess that's what really drives me to the RC-F.... just not very many.
Speaking of -- has anyone leaked production counts on the RC-F for 2015?
d
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Not surprising. Its economics 101. There's little demand for the RC-F. The buyers in this market segment flock to the M4. This means a couple of things. First, the RC-F is going to depreciate more rapidly than normal (about 17% deprecation per year is the standard) and second the used market for the RC-F will be a gold mine for a potential buyer b/c high supply will drive prices down.
Flock to the M4? There are 91 2015 used BMW M4s for sale.
The RC F will hold value better than the M4.
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ok.. just an observation...
Originally Posted by ISF001
Sorry my friend, but I disagree. This is called compulsive buying...folks not knowing what they are purchasing.
Flock to the M4? There are 91 2015 used BMW M4s for sale.
The RC F will hold value better than the M4.
Flock to the M4? There are 91 2015 used BMW M4s for sale.
The RC F will hold value better than the M4.
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And let's not forget...the M4 had a 4-5 month head start in sales.
I think the discrepancy is normal...
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Lexus is known for it's poor resale.
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-res...ds/best-brand/
Best Luxury Brand: Lexus
Unofficially, Lexus has created a Best Resale Value dynasty. Four straight years as our best Best Luxury Brand when it comes to holding resale value over time is an unprecedented achievement, one that should should inject a full measure of legitimate overconfidence in buyers.
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-res...ds/best-brand/
Best Luxury Brand: Lexus
Unofficially, Lexus has created a Best Resale Value dynasty. Four straight years as our best Best Luxury Brand when it comes to holding resale value over time is an unprecedented achievement, one that should should inject a full measure of legitimate overconfidence in buyers.
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Not sure a lot can be gleaned from that when we are talking about both companies' 'niche' offerings. For sure the RCF isn't gonna have the steep depreciation of the M5/E63's of the world.
I would be interested to know...what are the residual rates on the leases for the RCF? I know I almost backed outta our order when the rate dropped from 59% to 55% (36 month...15k mile a year) on the M4 from 2015 to 2016.
Those residual rates let you know what the car maker thinks that the car will be worth. Anyone who has leased the F wanna chime in on their rate?
Lexus is known for it's poor resale.
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-res...ds/best-brand/
Best Luxury Brand: Lexus
Unofficially, Lexus has created a Best Resale Value dynasty. Four straight years as our best Best Luxury Brand when it comes to holding resale value over time is an unprecedented achievement, one that should should inject a full measure of legitimate overconfidence in buyers.
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-res...ds/best-brand/
Best Luxury Brand: Lexus
Unofficially, Lexus has created a Best Resale Value dynasty. Four straight years as our best Best Luxury Brand when it comes to holding resale value over time is an unprecedented achievement, one that should should inject a full measure of legitimate overconfidence in buyers.
I would be interested to know...what are the residual rates on the leases for the RCF? I know I almost backed outta our order when the rate dropped from 59% to 55% (36 month...15k mile a year) on the M4 from 2015 to 2016.
Those residual rates let you know what the car maker thinks that the car will be worth. Anyone who has leased the F wanna chime in on their rate?
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Charging what amounts to 6% interest (do the math) on a lease is robbery. But hey...if you like it, I love it
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You've added so much to this convo. At least I've advised folks to try to get a better deal. You might as well have found another sentence to add an exclamation point on. Smh...
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Of course there are 91 used M4s for sale, BMW production numbers on the M4 are much, much higher than Lexus's production numbers for the RC-F. And this is with demand outstripping supply for the M4 in the top markets (US, Australia, etc). Those M4s are going to hold their value. But the RC-Fs are going to see a precipitous drop in value.