4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

to be fair the RCF seats arent leather they are the nuluxe stuff, which I think is superior to real leather anyways and wouldnt bother with the $800 option. Real leather is too slippery, scratches and wrinkles easily.

hypothetically if you could get performance package on a base RCF without premium its still a similar price to the M with DCT.

SW17LS

Are they NuLuxe? I thought the RC-F seats were leather.

FWIW, the base seats on the M4 are mostly cloth.

RNM GS3

You are 100% wrong.

M4 has much more standard at 64k than RC-F at 62k.
Please visit www.bmwusa.com.

Again STANDARD Features on M4 at 64k:
- All CF Parts - Roof, Trunk, Driveshaft, Front STB
- Interior CF trim
- Navigation
- Active M Differential

All of the above are OPTIONAL on RC-F....

vapid2323

Cost of ownership, I see Lexus beating BMW by a fair margin. I know its not what most of us really care about but we need to take that into account. Reliability is kinda important to me and that's why you will never see me own a BMW. At the moment BMW cant hold a candle to Lexus.

Might lease one though

SW17LS

Well then I suppose you should buy a BMW and post on their forum.

RNM GS3

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I like the RC-F but im gonna point out things where I see Lexus is not being competitive.
It looks like u dont really know much about these 2 cars in terms of pricing/options etc.
Instead of admitting u were wrong about the standard features of M4, u tell me not to post anymore?? Very nice - I have been posting on CL since 2002 and have no plans to leave but thanks for ur suggestion....

ISF001

Trust me: BMW is cringing with the release of the new F. Bimmers not only have TERRIBLE reliability up and down the line, but they have been bleeding market share to Lexus for some time now.

Folks forking over $80,000-$85,000 in this class expect to have a car that can be pushed without be damaged as you go for the "ultimate driving experience."

The ISF has been an awesome driving experience for me--one of the best in my life. BMW and I fought like cats and dogs to get warranty items done...unacceptable in my book.

lantu0312

Nice video!

lantu0312

I'm a Lexus Fun. I really like the RCF but M4 has some advantages in new Technology and Performance.

4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

M only significantly beats the RCF price if you want a stripper model which is a really lowsy way to order any luxury car. BMW beats RCF there since you cant get the CF and TVD without the premium package. Add premium and perf and yes the RCF is more but then the BMW is way behind in options and features. Elsewhere they are close in price. If all you care about is TVD and CF parts then the M is going to be cheaper because you have to spend 10k to get it on the RCF. But you get a lot more stuff with that 10k and when you match it with an M, its a wash on the price. If I wanted a stripped car I wouldn't even consider a luxury brand, I'd get a C7 Z51 vette.

Even if we consider a hypothetical build to build as close to a base M as possible

RCF $63325
Performance $5500 (hypothetical since it cant be had without premium package)
Navi $1760
$70585

M $65150
DCT $2900
LED Headlights $1900
19" wheels $1200
$71150

Essentially the same price. Both cars have navi, TVD, CF parts, 19" wheels. Should I add $4k to the price of the M to get back up camera and comfort access? Standard on RCF. I could add $280 cold weather package and $500 intuitive parking assist to even it out with the exec package but still no where near $4k. How much is the digital gauge cluster worth?

lantu0312

Nice video, thanks!

SW17LS

Come on...be real. I've watched you post for years. You're a BMW guy now and thats fine, but don't try and sell us on the idea that you're a Lexus enthusiast...I haven't seen you post anything that I would barely construe as being enthusiastic about the brand. All the posts I see deride Lexus while building BMW up.

Actually I do. We'll see how the packages lay out when the car actually becomes available. Lexus won't offer an RC-F without nav for instance, even though its "optional". Nav is optional on the GS too...whens the last time you saw one without nav? The $54k premium car is the de facto base GS.

I have never priced a BMW that when compared spec'ed similarly to a comparable Lexus model wasn't 10% or so more expensive. I expect the M4 to be the same way.

While I can give BMW the nod for including more weight saving CF features as standard, what I question is what benefit thats going to have to the typical road going buyer. Makes a big difference on a track, in the real world on a road? I wouldn't be so sure.

RNM GS3

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Please SEARCH my posts in regards to RC-F.
I have posted about it since Day 1 and have always preferred it over the M4 primarily because of the V8 and also bec i think it looks better. Reliability doesnt hurt either.

But im not gonna defend Lexus for delivering a product that offers less performance and features and on top of that costs more $$$$$.

Im far from BMW fanboy and actually my new purchase reflects that...

ISF001

and so...my comment is on performance.

How the heck can you say less performance when we have ZERO numbers on a production vehicle?

All that we know is that it is faster at 170 mph than the Bimmer 4.

jdmSW20

iTrader: (12)

i dont really see the point in another BMW vs Lexus slug fest. in the end people will prefer what the prefer and like what they like. both cars are going to do what they are going to do. performance and sales wise. the same as the ISF vs M3 countless debates. both cars had their pros, both had their cons.

the RCF vs M3/4 is going to be the same way