So I've been fortunate that my first car in 2000 was a 1993.5 Toyota Supra MKIV non turbo which I got when I was 16-17 years old. I've since upgraded it to a 2JZ-GTE and added all of the turbo bits over the years (Brakes) as I got older. If I had more money when I was 16 I would have gotten the Turbo Version but I had to settle for the GE (I was a broke @ 17 year) and then worked my way up. Anyways I used that car along with a 2010 Prius up until 2020. During that period I helped my mother acquire an Lexus IS 300 and in 2022 my wife got a Lexus NX 450 H+ while I got myself a 2020 Toyota Supra Launch Edition otherwise known as a BMW.

So to sum it up yea I've been in the Toyota family up until this BMW Supra and I just have a thing for turbo inline-six and Toyota really never has or will release one it seems. I've since decided that the BMW Toyota Supra is too small for me so I'm giving it to my younger brother while I acquire a new car either a RCF or a M2 CS. I'm not really tracking my cars I just do spirited driving around California I need enough room to fit an International Suitcase to pick up passangers from LAX from time to time and I've become acustomed to the space the MKIV Supra gives me and want exactly that no more no less.
20+ years later the Supra MKIV is no longer viable to daily as parts are hard to come by and I'm not a huge fan of a manual Daily in California but I like to keep it for those moments/days where I just want to bang some gears if you know what I mean..

Using the B58 in the BMW Supra has gotten me warmed up to the idea of going full on BMW hence why I am considering the S58 twin turbo in the M2 CS plus the usable space appears to be on par with a Supra MKIV. I would go with the RCF in a heartbeat if it was a turbo six instead of a V8 because I like turbochargers and working on my cars. But I guess how Dailyable is a V8 RCF? And what kind of modding is capable on this platform?

Current Stable:


M2 CS I'm considering:

 

You seemed to have answered your question in the post. Looks like M2 CS is the car you would want to get as it checks all of the boxes.

RCF's biggest charm and its soul comes from the high-revving naturally aspirated V8. It is a rather big displacement V8, but its behavior is more like a Honda S2000 F20 engine with double the cylinders and double the power. You have almost 400 ft-lbs of torque available at fairly low rpms, but the turbocharged midrange is something else. RCF has to be revved like crazy to get the best power out of the V8.The car was designed around the high-revving N/A V8 and the ability to do both street and hotlaps on the race track. Looks like you want a dailyable high performance car that also seems to line up with your preference for an inline-6 turbocharged engine and the M2 CS is just as dailyable as the RCF from what I have read from reviews where it very well tuned for the streets as well.

RCF in your case, does not offer any advantages. It is a car that does everything extremely well. Super well damped for both street and track (if you fix the OEM tires issue), chassis is great/rigid, reliable, lots of charisma, presence, aura, sound is intoxicating and coming from small displacement high-revving engines like 2ZZ-GE, it feels like a 2ZZ on massive amounts of steroids. Both had Yamaha help in designing and tuning the engine so it does follow the lineage.

Everyone notices the car when I am in my bright orange RCF, the torque vectoring option was way ahead of its time back 10 years ago. Just time moves on and things continue to get better so RCF had its time, but we are 10 years from when it was first designed to compete with the original version of the F82 M4. The track edition was the revising that came in 2020+ models, but again we are talking BMW M going through many iterations of M cars.

M2 CS is pretty much superior to any variant of RCF in almost every case both as a street car and on the track except the visceral sound/high rpm focused powerband, the fact that it is smaller than the M2 (believe it or not, RCF is smaller than the M2 platform) and the fact that you have a bulletproof car (which only matters if you are planning on keeping the car until it is an antique).

With that being said, I would recommend you go with the M2 CS. It will check the boxes for you that you are defining as your criteria.

 

If I were you I would go with the M2. The RCF will probably feel a generation behind to you. In terms of Daily the RCF is fantastic, though. It really is an excellent grand tour car also. It does better in the canyons than you would think. You can drive it all day and not be fatigued. I love mine. Had 2 SVO Mustangs and an STI. My F150 Has the 3.5 turbo V-6. So no bias against turbos. I also like V-8's. The RCF V-8 is magic.

 

Thanks for the replies Track Edition RCF 2024 only has Exterior Updates? The interior looks dated by today (2024) standards.. was 2024 that long ago?

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In comparison for the same roughly the same price:

 

You might want to check out this review of the RC F Track: https://machineswithsouls.com/2024-lexus-rc-f-review/
It gets most of the stuff correct that the majority of reviews get completely wrong/miss about the RC F. Also, the transmission doesn’t suck, it’s just misunderstood and a little quirky because of its programming.


Mike (the person that runs that site) is pretty heavy into BMW’s and also has a few reviews of various M2’s as well. I feel like comparing the above with those reviews might be helpful for where you’re at.
He’s usually really good about looking at what a car *is* instead of just his preferences.

Also, the RC F’s interior (while not perfect) is simply lovely. Not to say that other cars aren’t, but it’s really not fair how Lexus gets stepped on simply because they haven’t majorly changed interiors for a while. Similar to the entire RC F, what they have is already really good, it’s just not “new”. Honestly, everything has giant screens for everything now which can be kind of monotonous. New isn’t always better.

I will also add, the RC F with a proper tune gets you the low and mid-range power and driveability you’d expect from the displacement while still staying within the “right amount” of power for the car.

 

Yeah, I posted that review a while back. Quite possibly the best RCF review ever. It was conducted by a bunch of E92, F82 and G82 M3/M4 owners who got an RCF Track Edition and put it through its paces. When I read the review first, I was shocked at how they completely got it and were able to see the things owners with a lot of experience, see in the car.

 

I don't understand the question. The 2024 RCF track edition has the same exterior as the previous ones did. Only the interior had some minor updates such as, the infotainment and the brake release button etc.

Like I said above in my reply, RCF came out in 2014 as a 2015 model year first. The interior has some minor updates, but essentially it is an interior from 2014. So, there is that as to your question about the interior being dated, but the good thing is, everything is extremely high quality and very well put together. All of the fit, finish, materials feel and wear extremely well. Miine is a 10 year old and still looks brand new both inside and out (though, I only have 13,000 miles on it, but still the wear over time is unstoppable for materials that are not made well).

 

Pretty sure Mike is the only one that does the reviews, but for that one he got several friend’s BMWs together for the photo shoot.
But yeah, really good review! His site is my favorite for car reviews; he recently started doing YouTube versions of them also.

 

the interior is from 2015. all they pretty much did for te/fuji was add/change some carbon bits and alcantara. some other minor diff. love the car but the interior is dated for sure by today's standards. it never really mattered to me when i had one.

 

Long time BMW owner (E92 M3, E46 M3, E60E & 39 M5, X3M40i ) and also a long time Toyota / Lexus (2024 RC-F Track , LX570 2017 and 2011 currently, LC100 and 80 previously ) It depends on how long you want to keep your vehicles. While I enjoyed my BMW's after 50k miles, the maintenance and reliability started to become a concern.




The RCF-Track was perfect as it gave me what I loved about my E92 M3 in a more modern and reliable platform. Again, it really depends on how long you plan to keep the vehicle and whether the additional performance of the newer BMW's are worth it after the warranty period.

 

@cslbill Congratulations and welcome. Pictures of your RCF look great. Agreed with what you said. I was also a big E92/E90 M3 aficionado back many ago and have a lot of experience with it. I also almost bought an E90 M3 sedan in 2016 with competition package until I decided to wait for the right RCF to come along (and to shell out $16K more than what the E90 was costing me). It was totally worth it as I got an RCF carbon performance package (with TVD). Since RCF during development was benchmarked against the ISF and the E92 M3, it feels like a more modern, reliable and much more powerful/torquier version of the E92 M3 having driven them back to back a few years ago.

Even today, as time has moved on and much more modern and faster, superior cars like the G82 M4 have come along, I think RCF holds a unique charm and feel that is reminiscent of a bygone era. It is something to cherish and I feel it every time I turn the engine on in the garage. With a few mods dialing it up to around 510 - 515 HP, the sound, response, drama and experience is elevated to a whole new level.

 

I've owned the E92 M3 for over 7 years FBO Dinan car with big brakes etc... Its a great car...but loving the RCF!! not going to modify it as much (other than HPS intake and Apexi non reso midpipe) as I dont want to have any warranty issues.

 

Nice E92. Looks great.

Fair enough. When my car was under warranty (it is 10 years old now), I had mods on (intake, full exhaust, throttle controller and even software tune close to the tail end of the warranty) and Lexus never gave me any hard time. I added lightweight pulleys and bushings more recently, but not much more planned. Did not touch suspension/chassis as they are really well dialed in from the factory for street and occasional track use. Basic bolts on in the RCF have no affect on reliability at all. It is really just that well built.

Not trying to convince you to mod your RCF TE, but just putting my experience with warranty and RCF out there.

 

Could you be kind enough to share where you are doing spirited driving in Cali. CHP is doing major crackdown in so cal.

 

so where did ya end up?