Wow, this is the first exhaust I think I might buy. I need to hear it! I didn't like the LMS because it was to loud.

 

How do you know that there is even a passageway between the 2 pipes in the front section? I zoomed in on the picture, and all I see is a couple tack welds where the pipes touch. If there is an opening between them, it must be pretty small.

BTW, the EPA is not a state agency. If I remember correctly, the maximum fine (Federal) for removing a working catalytic converter is $10,000. The local muffler shop that I went to said that EPA officers visit him from time to time with pictures taken from across the street by "under cover" EPA officers.

 

some of their catbacks actually are a true catback and don't mess with the cats at all.

Cool and responsible are usually more exclusive of each other than not.

 

Under the EPA Clean Air act it is against the law to tamper with and or replace any emissions control device. It also goes as far as saying that once you are out of warranty and something does happen to a catalytic converter you must replace it with a new one that meets or exceeds the original equipment. I really wish Lexus hadn't put that second set of cats on the car, but since they did most likely to obtain an ULEV status we are kinda stuck with them or keep the car "off-road"

Here are a few links:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/factshts/catcvrts.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour...ile/amcced.pdf

Edit: I just talked to a buddy of mine that worked several years in a performance shop and he told me that it shouldn't be a big deal and not to be scared to install this exhaust. He said that most aftermarket exhausts for sale should be implied as "off-road" use only unless they specifically say otherwise. Worst case scenario you could always put the stock exhaust back on for emissions testing and unless a cop has an IS350 and pulls you over for exhaust he will see at least one set of cats and shouldn't bother with you unless it's too loud of course. Who knows with BORLA they may have a different answer to give us and maybe some kind of exemption since the second set of cats aren't monitored and the car already meets he EPA emissions test with just the 1st set of cats.

 

because i asked, and they told me, about a month ago.

 

If all of this is true, then the borla is the best exhaust available (pending dyno numbers & user impressions)

 

Cool!

 

so who's gonna be the first?

 

Has anyone checked with other Borla vendors for better pricing, or to see if it's even on the shelves yet?

 

I just emailed several Borla vendors on eBay to see if they will be offering it. They seem to be about 20% cheaper than Borla's MSRP.

 

I got a reply from one of the eBay vendors saying he would sell it for $1199 shipped. Since the other eBay vendors are doing 20% less than MSRP ($1360 MSRP with shipping - 20% = $1088), I made a counter offer of $1100 shipped. If he agrees, I'll order it immediately.

BTW, I haven't heard back from any of the other dozen vendors I've emailed.

 

im sure he will agree.

 

are those 2 small resonators included with the package?

 

The exhaust system looks bad ***, but the mufflers and tips don't look so clean. I like the way Tanabe looks waaaaaaaaaaay better. The design just doesn't look as though it flows with the lines of the car, almost like the new dual exhaust on the E 500 or 550 whatever it is. Basically what I am saying is that the tips need to be more circular and more inset to contour with the lines of the rear valance.

 

yes Linh, it seems they are resonators.

As far as street use, and cat removal. well this is pretty damn mind twisting...
i've sent them another email trying to clarify that there IS a set of secondary cats, and that they are non-existent on the new exhaust. Maybe the second buldge after the primary cats, aren't cats at all, something else maybe. dunno guys i'll let ya know.

p.s.
lobux get the hell in here