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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Hey do you know what size the supply fitting is on the fuel rail of a GS400, it looks like I am going to make some changes to the fuel system. I need to know if the rails are NPT or metric and what size?


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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Hey Morris,
What are you planning to do? Are you running a bigger line? It's a fine thread, I will check on the size tomorrow.
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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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Well I am still working out the details, I may add a second pump. But at a minimum I am going to use the -6 for the supply and then use the stock liine for the return.

Right now I am using the stock line to supply the rail.

So if I am going to run the -6 supply I need to be able to plumb the -6 into the rails. I really dont want to have to drill and tap the rail unless I absolutely have to.

The end caps were metric, and I am guessing that the supply fitting on the rail is metric also. If so I am out of luck and will have to drill and tap it for a NPT fitting so that I can use a AN to NPT on the rail to hook up the supply from the y block.


This is all becasue I seem to be getting inconsistent fuel pressure, as I start moving from vacume towards boost my fuel pressure on the rail starts to drop off when it should be increasing.

I am guessing that the problem is that the walbro isnt able to supply enough pressure. If it was a volume issue my guess is that the psi would fall close to zero.

OR something in the tank is hosed up.

Either way I am going to have to open things up and I dont want to have to do that again so I may just try to address everything at one time.

I am at 45psi at idle, as I accelerate it sometimes drops as low as 35psi when it should be increasing.

Another option would be to install a booster pump and see if that solves the problem. But I am leaning away from this option right now.
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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 07:48 PM
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not saying it would be the easiest option, but you could always just weld a fitting on the ends of the rails instead of doing a fitting. i had to have that done since my rail ended up right at the firewall and a straight fitting wouldnt have fit.
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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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yea thats a thought I read about someone doing that over on dot net. They even had the bungs at summitracing. My only concern is that I dont have anyone that could weld aluminum. Isnt that a special welding machine that is needed for aluminum?
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Old Dec 26, 2006 | 06:31 AM
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Well I am still working out the details, I may add a second pump. But at a minimum I am going to use the -6 for the supply and then use the stock liine for the return.

Right now I am using the stock line to supply the rail.

So if I am going to run the -6 supply I need to be able to plumb the -6 into the rails. I really dont want to have to drill and tap the rail unless I absolutely have to.

The end caps were metric, and I am guessing that the supply fitting on the rail is metric also. If so I am out of luck and will have to drill and tap it for a NPT fitting so that I can use a AN to NPT on the rail to hook up the supply from the y block.


This is all becasue I seem to be getting inconsistent fuel pressure, as I start moving from vacume towards boost my fuel pressure on the rail starts to drop off when it should be increasing.

I am guessing that the problem is that the walbro isnt able to supply enough pressure. If it was a volume issue my guess is that the psi would fall close to zero.

OR something in the tank is hosed up.

Either way I am going to have to open things up and I dont want to have to do that again so I may just try to address everything at one time.

I am at 45psi at idle, as I accelerate it sometimes drops as low as 35psi when it should be increasing.

Another option would be to install a booster pump and see if that solves the problem. But I am leaning away from this option right now.
Are you running the returnless fuel system? If you are, I would get the BEGI rising rating regulator. It will raise 7 pounds of fuel pressure for 1 pound of boost. Also here is a quick chart for injectors calculation:
Flow Rate= (HP x BSFC) / (#Injectors x Maxcycle)
Let me know if I can help
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Old Dec 26, 2006 | 07:43 AM
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nope I have a return line in but I am using the aeromotive fpr, which is 1:1. If you come across what size the fittings are on the rail that would be tons of help.

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The size is M12x 1.12
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Well it looks like good news Summit has -6AN to Metric 12mm adapters, both in 1.5 pitch and 1.25 pitch. My guess is that one of those is gonna be the right thread.
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Or you can weld it. Send us the rail and we will weld it for ya .
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yea thats a thought I read about someone doing that over on dot net. They even had the bungs at summitracing. My only concern is that I dont have anyone that could weld aluminum. Isnt that a special welding machine that is needed for aluminum?
you just gotta find someone who can tig weld to do the aluminum.
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Anyone have any suggestions as to whether I shoud go with a booster pump or a second walbro?
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guess that depends on total horsepower you plan to make. two walbros will definetly support a ton of power, but they are kinda a pain to get set up.
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