2JZ-GTE question
11-10-04, 01:54 PM
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2JZ-GTE question
ok, finally got my car. got my 2jz-gte vvti waiting...one question though, i want to have a 6-speed. i have no clue, but is it possible to throw in the supra tranny? i really want the 6-speed instead of the F1. thanks!!
also, what motor mounts do i use? wher ecan i get it?
also, what motor mounts do i use? wher ecan i get it?
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11-10-04, 07:24 PM
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You can't just "throw in" a supra 6 sp. From what I read on Club Aristo, you have to lengthen the drive shaft, make custom connectors. Definitely not something you can do on your own garage. But someone had done it before, so it is doable.
After that you have to worry about making your ECU understand that you are now having a manual transmission and not an auto anymore.
After that you have to worry about making your ECU understand that you are now having a manual transmission and not an auto anymore.
11-10-04, 09:31 PM
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the supra tt 6 speed will fit on the gte engine relatively easy i believe. that's not the biggest problem
the biggest problem is electronics. but imho, the best way to do it is just to throw away the stock ecu once and for all. get a stand alone computer to work with the engine, and the 6 speed becomes independent and it's all good.
of course you still might run into problem with the belt housing fitment and stuff but that should be easy. and the drive shaft might be different length too, and that's really nothing compared to the electronics. take my words, electronics is what going to cause most time
the biggest problem is electronics. but imho, the best way to do it is just to throw away the stock ecu once and for all. get a stand alone computer to work with the engine, and the 6 speed becomes independent and it's all good.
of course you still might run into problem with the belt housing fitment and stuff but that should be easy. and the drive shaft might be different length too, and that's really nothing compared to the electronics. take my words, electronics is what going to cause most time
11-18-04, 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by rominl
the supra tt 6 speed will fit on the gte engine relatively easy i believe. that's not the biggest problem
the biggest problem is electronics. but imho, the best way to do it is just to throw away the stock ecu once and for all. get a stand alone computer to work with the engine, and the 6 speed becomes independent and it's all good.
of course you still might run into problem with the belt housing fitment and stuff but that should be easy. and the drive shaft might be different length too, and that's really nothing compared to the electronics. take my words, electronics is what going to cause most time
the supra tt 6 speed will fit on the gte engine relatively easy i believe. that's not the biggest problem
the biggest problem is electronics. but imho, the best way to do it is just to throw away the stock ecu once and for all. get a stand alone computer to work with the engine, and the 6 speed becomes independent and it's all good.
of course you still might run into problem with the belt housing fitment and stuff but that should be easy. and the drive shaft might be different length too, and that's really nothing compared to the electronics. take my words, electronics is what going to cause most time
11-18-04, 10:51 PM
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So for something like this, the AEM or the MOTEC system would be the best route?
So for something like this, the AEM or the MOTEC system would be the best route?
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12-08-04, 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by Stage3
So for something like this, the AEM or the MOTEC system would be the best route?
So for something like this, the AEM or the MOTEC system would be the best route?
top of the line Motec will... and will also cost you a pretty penny or TWO!!!
Autronic has the SM4 comming out very soon...
12-08-04, 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by LessEndz
AEM won't cut it... unless you wanna cut corners
top of the line Motec will... and will also cost you a pretty penny or TWO!!!
Autronic has the SM4 comming out very soon...
AEM won't cut it... unless you wanna cut corners
top of the line Motec will... and will also cost you a pretty penny or TWO!!!
Autronic has the SM4 comming out very soon...
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12-10-04, 05:29 AM
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our tuner tries to keep us as "up to date" as is possible even though we are on a rock in the middle of the pacific ocean...
it help with our own projects & customer jobs. i'm know he has his biases.. as do we all.
but to run & maximize a VVTi or VVTL-i system isn't quite as simple as VTEC or VTC now is it.
is it a rumor? why? does the current AEM have the capabilities to maxamize fuel & ignition maps in those types of heads with continously variable cam timing & lift systems? can it also calculate when and how it should adjust the valvetrain?
i'm VERY sure its in development if its not released yet.. AEMs business game tends to stay ahead of the trendy to make their money!!
well unless it comes to AEMs "drifting"effort.. their "Car" and "Driver" were an embarassment. they straight up wasted money customers spent to buy their products.
sorry i just have trouble giving my support to companies which STILL makes moves like that.
it help with our own projects & customer jobs. i'm know he has his biases.. as do we all.
but to run & maximize a VVTi or VVTL-i system isn't quite as simple as VTEC or VTC now is it.
is it a rumor? why? does the current AEM have the capabilities to maxamize fuel & ignition maps in those types of heads with continously variable cam timing & lift systems? can it also calculate when and how it should adjust the valvetrain?
i'm VERY sure its in development if its not released yet.. AEMs business game tends to stay ahead of the trendy to make their money!!
well unless it comes to AEMs "drifting"effort.. their "Car" and "Driver" were an embarassment. they straight up wasted money customers spent to buy their products.
sorry i just have trouble giving my support to companies which STILL makes moves like that.
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12-10-04, 12:05 PM
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The VVT-i version is in the final testing stage. AEM can and will do what you need. I strongly advise you to take the class. Every system has it own unique design.
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12-11-04, 06:05 AM
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i'm sure they will release that latest version sometime soon....
though t in the meanwhile.. i don't think my statement is any less of a "rumor" then when i said it...
i don't think our Tuner currently needs to use what little free time he has going to that sort of class...
as an engineer he generally gets paid to spend his time.. this automotive stuff is more of a hobby and personal intrest of his.
though t in the meanwhile.. i don't think my statement is any less of a "rumor" then when i said it...
i don't think our Tuner currently needs to use what little free time he has going to that sort of class...
as an engineer he generally gets paid to spend his time.. this automotive stuff is more of a hobby and personal intrest of his.
12-21-04, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Stage3
now wait a tick... if the AEM cant do what it needs to do for a VVTI 2jzgte engine, then why was Titan Motorsports using that in the Supra thats been whoopin everyones behinds????
Teamsaisok, since SP is a HKS Pro dealer, they will probably set you up with the HKS FCON VPRO. That is a fantastic unit and if it weren't for HKS' stupid policy of only allowing their pro dealers to use their software, I would recommend the use of that unit to anybody using a 2JZ GTE vvt-i or NOT. The performance of the FCON VPRO is on par with that of the Motec at only a fraction of the cost. It is a very reliable unit which does not sometimes drop maps like the AEM.
Are you sure you want to go with a 6 speed in a GS though? The automatic transmission that came with your motor shifts really smoothly under normal driving condition but can also shift hard when driven agressively and unlike the stick, you can brake boost and leave the line at full boost. Just so that you know, the fastest supra in the 1/4 mile is automatic...plus auto transmissions make it so easy to cruise
With this said, I would not want an auto transmission in my supra but then again, I only use the Supra to play and the twin turbo GS to cruise..well sort of 