eMileage NX450h+
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eMileage NX450h+
Three points that I am looking for feedback on;
1) On my 450h+ the most I see when leaving the most I see is 33 Miles. Everything I read says the car should show 36 Miles. This is after 12+ hours of being connected to my home plug and the Lexus app says the car is full.
2) When I am charging the only battery screen I could find that estimates recharge time is when the car is off and the plug is initially inserted. Only when the car is initially plugged on the main dashboard a battery indicator appears. Once I turn the media center on, I can't get to the battery charging indicator. There is no menu that shows rate or estimates completion time. I wind up using the charging station app or the Lexus app. Am I missing something?
3) It is cold here - 5-25 F, if the estimated starting eMilage is 33 I am getting about 17 real miles. That is with the cabin set at 68 and the seat heater and steering wheel heater enabled. Is this just cold and it is what it is, or am I missing something? On the positive side - the heater does bring the interior up to 68 F, even when it is 5 outside.
Any input would be appreciated.
1) On my 450h+ the most I see when leaving the most I see is 33 Miles. Everything I read says the car should show 36 Miles. This is after 12+ hours of being connected to my home plug and the Lexus app says the car is full.
2) When I am charging the only battery screen I could find that estimates recharge time is when the car is off and the plug is initially inserted. Only when the car is initially plugged on the main dashboard a battery indicator appears. Once I turn the media center on, I can't get to the battery charging indicator. There is no menu that shows rate or estimates completion time. I wind up using the charging station app or the Lexus app. Am I missing something?
3) It is cold here - 5-25 F, if the estimated starting eMilage is 33 I am getting about 17 real miles. That is with the cabin set at 68 and the seat heater and steering wheel heater enabled. Is this just cold and it is what it is, or am I missing something? On the positive side - the heater does bring the interior up to 68 F, even when it is 5 outside.
Any input would be appreciated.
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From: CA
The 450h is my 4th EV (3 PHEV, 1 full EV) so I have some familiarity with this.
1.) The vehicle’s estimates are based on driving conditions/behavior. Currently mine shows 39mi EV distance and 37mi with A/C. Climate has been around 40-65F. I expect it to show in the 40s during the summer.
2.) Good question, I’ve primarily used the app to inform me of charging status. I think an improved in-vehicle indicator would be a nice improvement that I hope Lexus is considering to deliver in an OTA update. With that said, I’ve found the novelty of checking the charging status frequently subsides over time and you get a feel for how long it’ll take as you gain familiarity with the car. For example, on a typical day I know my charge at home will finish right around before I go to bed. You also get notifications via the app when charging is complete. Finally, I also think its less important on a PHEV than EV since we have the gas engine as backup. Just my opinion but overall I do agree that improved charging status would be a benefit to owners.
3.) The major factors that hurt EV range is cold temperatures, climate control settings (heat or A/C), and highway/high speed driving. Best case scenario is warm temperatures, no climate, and low speed/city driving. Cold weather can reduce range by over 20% and the heater can reduce range by over 30%. Combined they really hurt the range. Heated seats doesn’t affect range as much and is more efficient than the vehicle heater. This article does a pretty good job showing how a Tesla was affected by climate control.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...fect-ev-range/
The difference between real world range and estimated range also goes the other way when conditions are good. For example without any climate controls and with 65F temps, this past Saturday I managed to drive 24 miles while using only 18 miles of indicated range.
1.) The vehicle’s estimates are based on driving conditions/behavior. Currently mine shows 39mi EV distance and 37mi with A/C. Climate has been around 40-65F. I expect it to show in the 40s during the summer.
2.) Good question, I’ve primarily used the app to inform me of charging status. I think an improved in-vehicle indicator would be a nice improvement that I hope Lexus is considering to deliver in an OTA update. With that said, I’ve found the novelty of checking the charging status frequently subsides over time and you get a feel for how long it’ll take as you gain familiarity with the car. For example, on a typical day I know my charge at home will finish right around before I go to bed. You also get notifications via the app when charging is complete. Finally, I also think its less important on a PHEV than EV since we have the gas engine as backup. Just my opinion but overall I do agree that improved charging status would be a benefit to owners.
3.) The major factors that hurt EV range is cold temperatures, climate control settings (heat or A/C), and highway/high speed driving. Best case scenario is warm temperatures, no climate, and low speed/city driving. Cold weather can reduce range by over 20% and the heater can reduce range by over 30%. Combined they really hurt the range. Heated seats doesn’t affect range as much and is more efficient than the vehicle heater. This article does a pretty good job showing how a Tesla was affected by climate control.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...fect-ev-range/
The difference between real world range and estimated range also goes the other way when conditions are good. For example without any climate controls and with 65F temps, this past Saturday I managed to drive 24 miles while using only 18 miles of indicated range.
Last edited by Jawnathin; Jan 18, 2022 at 01:53 PM.
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I am not ready for EV of PHEV
I really appreciate your guys' discussion, but I can tell I am not ready for EV or even PHEV, I am strongly into hybrids though, I am getting the 2022 Lexus NX 350h and it will be my fourth Toyota/Lexus hybrid.
YMMV,
MidCow3
P.S. - Where I live in Texas we don't have the EV recharging infrastructure yet set up for any kind of distance traveling.
YMMV,
MidCow3
P.S. - Where I live in Texas we don't have the EV recharging infrastructure yet set up for any kind of distance traveling.
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The standard self-charging hybrid 350h is a very good option and I think will be the best selling NX, I’m sure you’ll be very happy with your choice.
However in defense of the PHEV it can be driven like a normal fuel efficient hybrid when the battery is depleted. The nice thing about the PHEV is that it is not dependent upon public charging infrastructure for long distance traveling, that is what the gasoline engine is for. The benefit of the PHEV is the ability to operate without consuming fuel on shorter distances where you can charge at home or work. In my 11 days of 450h ownership I’ve used less than a gallon of fuel and that was primarily due to no charge upon taking delivery when driving home from the dealership. Once I got the car home it has been 100% EV.
Full EVs are dependent upon public infrastructure for long distance traveling. It is much better now than it used to be but range anxiety is a real thing. For anyone concerned about range anxiety but wants the benefits of an EV, the PHEV is a great choice. I consider myself in this camp.
However in defense of the PHEV it can be driven like a normal fuel efficient hybrid when the battery is depleted. The nice thing about the PHEV is that it is not dependent upon public charging infrastructure for long distance traveling, that is what the gasoline engine is for. The benefit of the PHEV is the ability to operate without consuming fuel on shorter distances where you can charge at home or work. In my 11 days of 450h ownership I’ve used less than a gallon of fuel and that was primarily due to no charge upon taking delivery when driving home from the dealership. Once I got the car home it has been 100% EV.
Full EVs are dependent upon public infrastructure for long distance traveling. It is much better now than it used to be but range anxiety is a real thing. For anyone concerned about range anxiety but wants the benefits of an EV, the PHEV is a great choice. I consider myself in this camp.
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The standard self-charging hybrid 350h is a very good option and I think will be the best selling NX, I’m sure you’ll be very happy with your choice.
However in defense of the PHEV it can be driven like a normal fuel efficient hybrid when the battery is depleted. The nice thing about the PHEV is that it is not dependent upon public charging infrastructure for long distance traveling, that is what the gasoline engine is for. The benefit of the PHEV is the ability to operate without consuming fuel on shorter distances where you can charge at home or work. In my 11 days of 450h ownership I’ve used less than a gallon of fuel and that was primarily due to no charge upon taking delivery when driving home from the dealership. Once I got the car home it has been 100% EV.
Full EVs are dependent upon public infrastructure for long distance traveling. It is much better now than it used to be but range anxiety is a real thing. For anyone concerned about range anxiety but wants the benefits of an EV, the PHEV is a great choice. I consider myself in this camp.
However in defense of the PHEV it can be driven like a normal fuel efficient hybrid when the battery is depleted. The nice thing about the PHEV is that it is not dependent upon public charging infrastructure for long distance traveling, that is what the gasoline engine is for. The benefit of the PHEV is the ability to operate without consuming fuel on shorter distances where you can charge at home or work. In my 11 days of 450h ownership I’ve used less than a gallon of fuel and that was primarily due to no charge upon taking delivery when driving home from the dealership. Once I got the car home it has been 100% EV.
Full EVs are dependent upon public infrastructure for long distance traveling. It is much better now than it used to be but range anxiety is a real thing. For anyone concerned about range anxiety but wants the benefits of an EV, the PHEV is a great choice. I consider myself in this camp.
YMMV,
MidCow3
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The standard self-charging hybrid 350h is a very good option and I think will be the best selling NX, I’m sure you’ll be very happy with your choice.
However in defense of the PHEV it can be driven like a normal fuel efficient hybrid when the battery is depleted. The nice thing about the PHEV is that it is not dependent upon public charging infrastructure for long distance traveling, that is what the gasoline engine is for. The benefit of the PHEV is the ability to operate without consuming fuel on shorter distances where you can charge at home or work. In my 11 days of 450h ownership I’ve used less than a gallon of fuel and that was primarily due to no charge upon taking delivery when driving home from the dealership. Once I got the car home it has been 100% EV.
Full EVs are dependent upon public infrastructure for long distance traveling. It is much better now than it used to be but range anxiety is a real thing. For anyone concerned about range anxiety but wants the benefits of an EV, the PHEV is a great choice. I consider myself in this camp.
However in defense of the PHEV it can be driven like a normal fuel efficient hybrid when the battery is depleted. The nice thing about the PHEV is that it is not dependent upon public charging infrastructure for long distance traveling, that is what the gasoline engine is for. The benefit of the PHEV is the ability to operate without consuming fuel on shorter distances where you can charge at home or work. In my 11 days of 450h ownership I’ve used less than a gallon of fuel and that was primarily due to no charge upon taking delivery when driving home from the dealership. Once I got the car home it has been 100% EV.
Full EVs are dependent upon public infrastructure for long distance traveling. It is much better now than it used to be but range anxiety is a real thing. For anyone concerned about range anxiety but wants the benefits of an EV, the PHEV is a great choice. I consider myself in this camp.
Still waiting for the delivery with no real ETA. It sucks to keep on waiting....
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@Jawnathin View Post and others - thank you for the responses and feedback, this was really helpful. Yesterday the temperature went to 50 F and I could see a huge increase in driving mileage.
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Three points that I am looking for feedback on;
1) On my 450h+ the most I see when leaving the most I see is 33 Miles. Everything I read says the car should show 36 Miles. This is after 12+ hours of being connected to my home plug and the Lexus app says the car is full.
2) When I am charging the only battery screen I could find that estimates recharge time is when the car is off and the plug is initially inserted. Only when the car is initially plugged on the main dashboard a battery indicator appears. Once I turn the media center on, I can't get to the battery charging indicator. There is no menu that shows rate or estimates completion time. I wind up using the charging station app or the Lexus app. Am I missing something?
3) It is cold here - 5-25 F, if the estimated starting eMilage is 33 I am getting about 17 real miles. That is with the cabin set at 68 and the seat heater and steering wheel heater enabled. Is this just cold and it is what it is, or am I missing something? On the positive side - the heater does bring the interior up to 68 F, even when it is 5 outside.
Any input would be appreciated.
1) On my 450h+ the most I see when leaving the most I see is 33 Miles. Everything I read says the car should show 36 Miles. This is after 12+ hours of being connected to my home plug and the Lexus app says the car is full.
2) When I am charging the only battery screen I could find that estimates recharge time is when the car is off and the plug is initially inserted. Only when the car is initially plugged on the main dashboard a battery indicator appears. Once I turn the media center on, I can't get to the battery charging indicator. There is no menu that shows rate or estimates completion time. I wind up using the charging station app or the Lexus app. Am I missing something?
3) It is cold here - 5-25 F, if the estimated starting eMilage is 33 I am getting about 17 real miles. That is with the cabin set at 68 and the seat heater and steering wheel heater enabled. Is this just cold and it is what it is, or am I missing something? On the positive side - the heater does bring the interior up to 68 F, even when it is 5 outside.
Any input would be appreciated.
The estimated time to complete charging seems to be 20 minutes more than the actual time.
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From: PA
Three points that I am looking for feedback on;
1) On my 450h+ the most I see when leaving the most I see is 33 Miles. Everything I read says the car should show 36 Miles. This is after 12+ hours of being connected to my home plug and the Lexus app says the car is full.
2) When I am charging the only battery screen I could find that estimates recharge time is when the car is off and the plug is initially inserted. Only when the car is initially plugged on the main dashboard a battery indicator appears. Once I turn the media center on, I can't get to the battery charging indicator. There is no menu that shows rate or estimates completion time. I wind up using the charging station app or the Lexus app. Am I missing something?
3) It is cold here - 5-25 F, if the estimated starting eMilage is 33 I am getting about 17 real miles. That is with the cabin set at 68 and the seat heater and steering wheel heater enabled. Is this just cold and it is what it is, or am I missing something? On the positive side - the heater does bring the interior up to 68 F, even when it is 5 outside.
Any input would be appreciated.
1) On my 450h+ the most I see when leaving the most I see is 33 Miles. Everything I read says the car should show 36 Miles. This is after 12+ hours of being connected to my home plug and the Lexus app says the car is full.
2) When I am charging the only battery screen I could find that estimates recharge time is when the car is off and the plug is initially inserted. Only when the car is initially plugged on the main dashboard a battery indicator appears. Once I turn the media center on, I can't get to the battery charging indicator. There is no menu that shows rate or estimates completion time. I wind up using the charging station app or the Lexus app. Am I missing something?
3) It is cold here - 5-25 F, if the estimated starting eMilage is 33 I am getting about 17 real miles. That is with the cabin set at 68 and the seat heater and steering wheel heater enabled. Is this just cold and it is what it is, or am I missing something? On the positive side - the heater does bring the interior up to 68 F, even when it is 5 outside.
Any input would be appreciated.
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When the battery is "empty", it will switch to hybrid. Why I put "empty" in quotes is because it's not really empty...
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From: HAUTS DE SEINE
Assuming your paying per kw used (and not by time on charge)
I can get a kWh price of 0.135 € between 10 PM and 8 AM (regulated contract in France)
Battery is 18,1 kWh.
Based on an efficiency o 90 % (assuming 10 % of the charging power is either dissipated or used by the car systems - just like any "classic BEV").
It will need 20 kWh for a 0 to 100% charge. It will cost me around 2,7 euros (3 USD).
Assuming your EV range is 50 km / 30 miles . EV will cost me 5,4 euros / 100 km
With 5,4 euros, I can purchase 3 liters of premium gas (.8 US gallons). Financially speaking, with my current electricity contract, EV mode is equivalent to a 3 l / 100 km fuel efficiency. (79 mpg roughly)
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Comparing to glc mercedes
With the glc , just when going over 50 km/h the car changes from battery to gas. Is it the same with the lexus nx 450 ? Or i can drive it on a highway at 100 km/h for the entire 50km battery ?
