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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 10:26 AM
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IMO, "engine damage may occur by using less than 91 octane gas" is hyperbole. let's not forget that there are a multitude of computers controlling spark/advance. those computers simply retard the engine timing if the sensors
determine that the engine is susceptible to engine knock (detonation).
H'mm see post #7 I think that means you agree with what I already stated? , Yes ??

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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 10:34 AM
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Lightbulb Good Article on Detonation

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/en...ock-explained/

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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by StraySheep
Let's do some simple math.

NX350h fuel tank is 55L (14.5 gal)
Estimate that Premium fuel is 30 cents (based on 1L of fuel) more than regular. (Worst case from what I google here in Toronto, Canada)

$0.30 x 55L = $16.50 more per tank.
Assume one refuels every other week, so 26 times a year. (If you do refuel twice a week in a hybrid, you'd be driving over 30,000 km/year)
$16.50 x 26 = $429/year (pretty worst case scenario)

Is $429/year more in fuel cost worth the peace of mind? You decide.
If you don't refuel every other week or price difference between regular and premium is less than 30 cents, it will be even less than $429 a year.
I fill up 4-6 times a year... You see why I fill premium.
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 04:08 PM
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Sure, if you believe the sensors will do it's job, go ahead regular it is.
Why would you *not* believe this?
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 04:28 PM
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Why would you *not* believe this?
Everything could fail one day.
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 04:29 PM
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I'm amused when it's stated that some people here are 'adamant' about using the recommended premium yet when others post endlessly saying not to that would seem to be kinda like 'adamant' too. In fact I'd say it's better described as different people having different perspectives and values, then expressing themselves accordingly. Which naturally should be expected on auto forums.
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Originally Posted by lsft
Everything could fail one day.
Do you use adaptive cruise control? It could fail one day. What about lane assist, or any of the other bells and whistles our cars have. They all could fail one day.

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Originally Posted by midcow3
I rather save the $429/year. Excess Octane is superfluous spending What is "peace of mind" anyway?

YMMV,
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Seems a lot of NX owners feel that their car is something extra special special and has feelings and those feelings will be hurt if they don't spend extra money of gas, even when not "required". Other of us look at our car as daily transportation, don't give a crap about an imagined extra half a mile per gallon more, and agree with midcow3 that the engine will adapt to what we put in it.
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by romer
I'm amused when it's stated that some people here are 'adamant' about using the recommended premium yet when others post endlessly saying not to that would seem to be kinda like 'adamant' too. In fact I'd say it's better described as different people having different perspectives and values, then expressing themselves accordingly. Which naturally should be expected on auto forums.
Where is the link that documents an ACTUAL engine failure attributed to the wrong octane fuel being used in an NX? The link that documents an engine failure and a denied warranty claim? How about, ANY LEXUS engine failure attributed to using the wrong octane........
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 09:31 PM
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Do you use adaptive cruise control? It could fail one day. What about lane assist, or any of the other bells and whistles our cars have. They all could fail one day.
Agreed, and that is why they need you to keep your hands on the steering wheel and stay attention.

Hey, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I really don't care if you use regular or premium. As I said before, "if" there is any sluggish or bad performance or engine issues just don't blame the manufacturer. Most ppl would be fine with regular. This is the same argument of doing oil changes every 6 months or 1 year. This conversation will never end as everybody has their own opinion. Some ppl want to drive the car forever and some only drive it for 3-4 years. Why should they do an oil change that frequent and not just follow the manufacturer timelines.

Again, there is nothing wrong using regular. Go ahead and use it. But don't stop others from using premium. Maybe they don't care of the extra cost and just feel better using premium.

What Lexus has in the manual is well thought out.
Regular can be used, but "may" cause issues and "may" void warranty.
Premium is recommended for optimal performance.




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After reading and joining these endless discussions about gasoline, oil changes, tire pressure, oil types, etc., I’ve realized I don’t have a position on any of these issues. For me, I opt to follow what the manufacturer of the car says they recommend for all these things. The reason I do is because I conclude since they’ve been doing this a very long time and their brand is at the top of the heap among luxury brands in so many ways, they must know things I don’t. I know my limitations. So my view is I would rather listen to the recommendations of Lexus (after all I bought the car because of all the evidence saying they know what they’re doing) than self declared arm chair ‘experts’ who assert their mechanical prowess and all related matters more that Lexus.
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Old Sep 27, 2024 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by romer
After reading and joining these endless discussions about gasoline, oil changes, tire pressure, oil types, etc., I’ve realized I don’t have a position on any of these issues. For me, I opt to follow what the manufacturer of the car says they recommend for all these things. The reason I do is because I conclude since they’ve been doing this a very long time and their brand is at the top of the heap among luxury brands in so many ways, they must know things I don’t. I know my limitations. So my view is I would rather listen to the recommendations of Lexus (after all I bought the car because of all the evidence saying they know what they’re doing) than self declared arm chair ‘experts’ who assert their mechanical prowess and all related matters more that Lexus.
So well said and agree 💯 %.I find it hilarious that posters on here with no experience are telling not saying this is what I do but telling members what to do. My comments on oil change intervals, gasoline octane etc I say this is what I do and has worked for a million miles of driving.
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Old Sep 27, 2024 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by romer
After reading and joining these endless discussions about gasoline, oil changes, tire pressure, oil types, etc., I’ve realized I don’t have a position on any of these issues. For me, I opt to follow what the manufacturer of the car says they recommend for all these things. The reason I do is because I conclude since they’ve been doing this a very long time and their brand is at the top of the heap among luxury brands in so many ways, they must know things I don’t. I know my limitations. So my view is I would rather listen to the recommendations of Lexus (after all I bought the car because of all the evidence saying they know what they’re doing) than self declared arm chair ‘experts’ who assert their mechanical prowess and all related matters more that Lexus.
I tend to lean towards this view as well. I just don't see the incentive for Lexus to recommend higher octane fuel than is necessary. Quite the contrary, Lexus should be incented to show the lowest annual maintenace cost possible. So I figure I should at least hedge my bets on this octane issue and do so by blending equal amounts of 87 octane and 93 octane for 90 octane. At today's fuel prices and assuming I put 10,000 miles per year on my NX 350h along with 39 mpg, my hedge costs me $128 and 5 minutes of my time per year. I can live with that.
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Old Sep 27, 2024 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by StraySheep
Let's do some simple math.

NX350h fuel tank is 55L (14.5 gal)
Estimate that Premium fuel is 30 cents (based on 1L of fuel) more than regular. (Worst case from what I google here in Toronto, Canada)

$0.30 x 55L = $16.50 more per tank.
Assume one refuels every other week, so 26 times a year. (If you do refuel twice a week in a hybrid, you'd be driving over 30,000 km/year)
$16.50 x 26 = $429/year (pretty worst case scenario)

Is $429/year more in fuel cost worth the peace of mind? You decide.
If you don't refuel every other week or price difference between regular and premium is less than 30 cents, it will be even less than $429 a year.
NX350h per manual premium is recommended but can use regular. The non-hybrid states premium required.
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Originally Posted by StraySheep
Let's do some simple math.

NX350h fuel tank is 55L (14.5 gal)
Estimate that Premium fuel is 30 cents (based on 1L of fuel) more than regular. (Worst case from what I google here in Toronto, Canada)

$0.30 x 55L = $16.50 more per tank.
Assume one refuels every other week, so 26 times a year. (If you do refuel twice a week in a hybrid, you'd be driving over 30,000 km/year)
$16.50 x 26 = $429/year (pretty worst case scenario)

Is $429/year more in fuel cost worth the peace of mind? You decide.
If you don't refuel every other week or price difference between regular and premium is less than 30 cents, it will be even less than $429 a year.
I fill when the tank gets down to half. About every 5-6 weeks. I use premium as Lexus recommends. The extra cost is budgetary dust for me.
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