which brand of coolant??
06-02-04, 07:40 PM
#31
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Originally posted by HarrierAWD
I have the Toyota coolant here. (No I didn't buy it. Lexus gave it to me for free because my coolant level kept going down after the 30K service.)
Here are the ingredients:
Ethylene Glycol
Diethylene Glycol
Water
Organic Acid Salt
Hydrated Inorganic Salt
In another section, it claims that it does not contain silicates nor borates.
Anyone with the green Prestone please post the ingredients. Thanks.
I have the Toyota coolant here. (No I didn't buy it. Lexus gave it to me for free because my coolant level kept going down after the 30K service.)
Here are the ingredients:
Ethylene Glycol
Diethylene Glycol
Water
Organic Acid Salt
Hydrated Inorganic Salt
In another section, it claims that it does not contain silicates nor borates.
Anyone with the green Prestone please post the ingredients. Thanks.
Ethylene glycol
Diethylene glycol
Silcone defoamer
Sodium silicate
06-02-04, 07:57 PM
#32
Looks like theres always gonna be 2 camps to every subject.
I ll be in camp 3 all by myself. LOL
By the way Saber been correcting me, I am starting to think my motor is mistreated by using cheaper product. And somehow I got lucky and been having a trouble free car all these years. Oh well, Guess I been lucky for the last 15 years and four lucky 4 cars LOL
BTW SABER you work for Toyota? They paying something we dont know about?
I ll be in camp 3 all by myself. LOL
By the way Saber been correcting me, I am starting to think my motor is mistreated by using cheaper product. And somehow I got lucky and been having a trouble free car all these years. Oh well, Guess I been lucky for the last 15 years and four lucky 4 cars LOL
BTW SABER you work for Toyota? They paying something we dont know about?
06-03-04, 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by ELP_JC
There's nothing special about a Toyota engine and radiator gentlemen; they're made of the same materials than any other modern engine. [/B]
There's nothing special about a Toyota engine and radiator gentlemen; they're made of the same materials than any other modern engine. [/B]
06-03-04, 04:05 AM
#34
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As I have posted before, Lexes Corp has sent me an email stating that in my 98 any antifreeze (EG-based) can be used. I use no silicate antifeezes since, so far no one can prove Toyota coolant is any better then anyother no/low siliate antifreeze. As per there email there antifreeze is nothing special. The red is only dye in the coolant, so color means nothing. Just must be EG coolant.
People can tell me yes Toyota is beeter; however, if it was why does Lexus give me the option saying it is ok to use others?
People can tell me yes Toyota is beeter; however, if it was why does Lexus give me the option saying it is ok to use others?
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06-03-04, 09:15 PM
#35
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You can now get what Toyota calls "Super" Long life engine coolant which is pink in colour as opposed to the red "long life" which they shouldn't call it that in my opinion as it's only good for 2 years anyways. The pink stuff however is suppose to last much longer so something to consider at least.
06-04-04, 07:17 AM
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So what happens why Toyota comes out with super duper. Super size Super long life! 
It is a play on words. Also what is this new coolant? Is it normal EG coolant?????Can it be used Globally in all Lexus?
It is a play on words. Also what is this new coolant? Is it normal EG coolant?????Can it be used Globally in all Lexus?
06-04-04, 09:10 AM
#37
I see this coming, Give toyota a few more years.
This is my theory.
The Toyota marketing dept will sit around and think of something new for there lifelong toyota owners.
Then an engineer would suggest, Lets make the Coolant a darker red and call it LIFETIME COOLANT, NEVER NEED TO CHANGE.
Price at 49.95.
LOLOL I need to work for toyota marketing dept. I could make them wealthier, I do deserve a fat bonus check.
Have a good one gang
This is my theory.
The Toyota marketing dept will sit around and think of something new for there lifelong toyota owners.
Then an engineer would suggest, Lets make the Coolant a darker red and call it LIFETIME COOLANT, NEVER NEED TO CHANGE.
Price at 49.95.
LOLOL I need to work for toyota marketing dept. I could make them wealthier, I do deserve a fat bonus check.
Have a good one gang
06-04-04, 11:01 AM
#38
In most instances you are going to change the thermostat out every 2 years or year depending on your driving conditions. If so, it is minimal how long life the coolant will be as in most cases you'll get it drained and replaced in the service. If you DIY, then you can top off. If you believe in the long life and that the thermostat is going to go the 5 years, it is quite a gamble to save $35 in parts/fluid.
Ironically, we debate oil longevity and changing it every 3K-5K yet with coolant which is equally important we are looking for long life?
Ironically, we debate oil longevity and changing it every 3K-5K yet with coolant which is equally important we are looking for long life?
06-04-04, 11:28 AM
#39
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Apples and Oranges
Not to be argumentative, but we change oil because it gets dirty, and we change coolant because its anti-corrosion and water-pump lubricating abilities diminish over time. Two very different schedules.
And I can't be the only one that has never changed out my thermostat, nor have I ever seen that change recommended as part of any maintenance procedure.
And I can't be the only one that has never changed out my thermostat, nor have I ever seen that change recommended as part of any maintenance procedure.
06-04-04, 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by mburnickas
so far no one can prove Toyota coolant is any better then anyother no/low siliate antifreeze.
so far no one can prove Toyota coolant is any better then anyother no/low siliate antifreeze.
the market are the Dexcool anitfreezes like Havoline extended life coolant. Unlike
Toyota Red, the Dexcool anitfreezes can cause a serious buildup of sludge in the cooling
system if air gets into the system past a weak radiator cap or poorly sealed coolant overflow jar: http://www.saber.net/~monarch/deathcool.jpg . GM even made a video to help service technicians deal with the problem: http://www.saber.net/~monarch/deathcoolVideo.jpg Here are some owner
testimonials about the problems with Dexcool antifreezes which on some GM vehicles, have included water pump problems and short lived intake manifold gaskets:
http://www.saber.net/~monarch/dexcool3.jpg
http://www.saber.net/~monarch/deathcool3.jpg
http://www.saber.net/~monarch/deathcool1.jpg
So as usual, using aftermarket parts, fluids, lubes and filters is risky.
06-04-04, 02:16 PM
#42
Ok, why is this such a big discussion? When I flushed my coolant (lots of fun 
), I thought only of choosing the Genuine Toyota Coolant, why not?? If there is the smallest chance of a non-factory fluid performing not as well as factory, then why would I go with it? Its not a matter of price: Toyota coolant: $13, non-Toyota coolant: $10. Why not go with Toyota.
), I thought only of choosing the Genuine Toyota Coolant, why not?? If there is the smallest chance of a non-factory fluid performing not as well as factory, then why would I go with it? Its not a matter of price: Toyota coolant: $13, non-Toyota coolant: $10. Why not go with Toyota.
06-04-04, 02:45 PM
#43
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Re: Apples and Oranges
Originally posted by PERRYinLA
And I can't be the only one that has never changed out my thermostat, nor have I ever seen that change recommended as part of any maintenance procedure.
And I can't be the only one that has never changed out my thermostat, nor have I ever seen that change recommended as part of any maintenance procedure.
Aerostar, I agree with you. I have Dexcool in my car now but will be changing it out this weekend ONLY because Cabe Toyota here in LB is having a coolant sale ($10 a jug) so I figure now's a good time to switch. But a lot of people on here are penny pinchers and that extra $3 a jug bugs them, being as they see no direct benefit from spending the extra money they opt for the slightly cheaper stuff, go figure.
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06-04-04, 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by /Aerostar\
Ok, why is this such a big discussion? When I flushed my coolant (lots of fun ), I thought only of choosing the Genuine Toyota Coolant, why not?? If there is the smallest chance of a non-factory fluid performing not as well as factory, then why would I go with it? Its not a matter of price: Toyota coolant: $13, non-Toyota coolant: $10. Why not go with Toyota.
Ok, why is this such a big discussion? When I flushed my coolant (lots of fun
), I thought only of choosing the Genuine Toyota Coolant, why not?? If there is the smallest chance of a non-factory fluid performing not as well as factory, then why would I go with it? Its not a matter of price: Toyota coolant: $13, non-Toyota coolant: $10. Why not go with Toyota.
For all these reasons, many owners wrongly conclude the $3-6.00 per gallon higher cost of genuine Toyota antifreeze is just extra profit for the dealers' parts departments or that it's really just the same product as ordinary green antifreeze, but dyed Red to fool the public into thinking it's special.
06-04-04, 03:54 PM
#45
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Originally posted by saber
Well alot of Toyota owners figure the factory original fluids, filters and lubes are mediocre quality products that are intended to maxmimize profits for Toyota, but are only minimally good for the car. Plus Toyota owners are bombarded with advertizing from aftermarket products that claim, either directly or subliminally, to be as good or better than OEM and less costly. To add insult to injury, some Toyota / Lexus dealers themselves cut corners by using cheap $3.00 a gallon aftermarket antifreezes when they service their customers cars! So owners figure if dealers use aftermarket antifreeze, it must be as good or better than the genuine Toyota stuff.
For all these reasons, many owners wrongly conclude the $3-6.00 per gallon higher cost of genuine Toyota antifreeze is just extra profit for the dealers' parts departments or that it's really just the same product as ordinary green antifreeze, but dyed Red to fool the public into thinking it's special.
Well alot of Toyota owners figure the factory original fluids, filters and lubes are mediocre quality products that are intended to maxmimize profits for Toyota, but are only minimally good for the car. Plus Toyota owners are bombarded with advertizing from aftermarket products that claim, either directly or subliminally, to be as good or better than OEM and less costly. To add insult to injury, some Toyota / Lexus dealers themselves cut corners by using cheap $3.00 a gallon aftermarket antifreezes when they service their customers cars! So owners figure if dealers use aftermarket antifreeze, it must be as good or better than the genuine Toyota stuff.
For all these reasons, many owners wrongly conclude the $3-6.00 per gallon higher cost of genuine Toyota antifreeze is just extra profit for the dealers' parts departments or that it's really just the same product as ordinary green antifreeze, but dyed Red to fool the public into thinking it's special.