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Old Jul 5, 2020 | 02:06 PM
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Talking about hesitation this past week when I’m in power mode if i hit the gas pedal too much or too fast it seems to stick or hold onto a gear I don’t know which and it doesn’t go down quickly when I let off does it sound familiar ?
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Old Jul 5, 2020 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jdanielca
Talking about hesitation this past week when I’m in power mode if i hit the gas pedal too much or too fast it seems to stick or hold onto a gear I don’t know which and it doesn’t go down quickly when I let off does it sound familiar ?
that kind of sounds like what the power function is to supposed to do..? Maybe if you are dissatisfied you can disconnect the battery and then let the car do a relearn procedure for the transmission. Hope this helps, cheers
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Old Jul 8, 2020 | 05:22 PM
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Hate to say this but its beginning to sound like the car is going to be more trouble than its worth. I'd trade it in sooner rather than later. Sounds like you're soured on Lexus (can't say I blame you, I've had similar experiences with the company over the last 10 years). Can't speak to Mercedes, but I had less issues with my BMWs (5 series) that any of my recent Lexus vehicles ('07 LS, '08 IS and '14 LS). My '92 SC300 and '99 RX were fabulous, as were the dealers back then. Unfortunately, the company has gone completely down the toilet since then. IMHO

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Old Jul 8, 2020 | 06:02 PM
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I had a thought: Could unplugging the knock sensors be a way to diagnose the source of the hesitation? Make sure car has premium fuel in it, unplug the sensors, test drive to see if hesitation disappears.

On second thought, here is how to get to the sensors, ugh:

There are 4 knock sensors, all in the valley. Maybe a way to view knock counts with Techstream?
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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 11:44 PM
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Anyone disconnected the knock sensors?
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Old Sep 23, 2020 | 09:21 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. For clarification, this car was bought from Lexus Watertown and the first owner was fastidious. Got it in 07 and kept it till 2018 and serviced it at said dealer. When I got it in May 2018 it had 67k on it, so 6,000 miles a year. It's got clear bra everywhere and the records were plentiful. I checked the Lexus owners site myself and the info I saw corresponds with what both Lexus USA and my Toyota dealer told me (Lexus dealer lied and stated said services WERE NOT done): in 2010, the cylinder heads and valves were updated under warranty. In 2015, the entire fuel system (including HPFPs replaced). Now, the car had its oil changed at Lexus for a while but the mechanic who I bought my 1 owner IS300 from specializes in Toyota so I just started going to him for oil changes. I've done a few oil changes myself on the car and always used 0W-40 M1 Full Synthetic as did he, until the last oil change a couple months ago. He only had 0-20 available and I just said go for it. I know Lexus has revised the oil specifications for the car overtime, but I know 0-20 is recommended. Immediately after picking it up it starting bucking and popping through gears. Using the accelerator pedal felt like taming a bull. Now, it's obviously no coincidence, but I'm unsure as to how oil viscosity could affect this. The 1UR-FE (on the LS) uses VVTi-E. I know other VVT systems, including Toyota's more basic one, use pressurized oil to adjust the cams. This car uses electric motors (on the intake camshafts at least, if not all 4) to adjust the cam position and thus shouldn't be affected by this. I'm eager to see if 0-40 makes the issue disappear on the next change. To answer other questions. Why go to a Lexus dealer you don't trust; it's 10 minutes from my house and LUSA wanted me at a Lexus dealer and not Toyota, the next nearest is owned by the same guy and I had problems there when I bought my first Lexus back in 08 there. The nearest after that is well over an hour away. I'm not selling the car because I shouldn't have to. And, I just put $1k worth of tires on it a few weeks ago, control arms less than a year ago, fluid flushes etc. The car idles perfectly and makes no noises and will redline beautifully as well, I'm confident the issue is software related. Interestingly, when the car is in ETC Snow, the issue vanishes. ETC Power and normal mode both beget the issue. I use snow mode when the car is cold to soften up the gearbox+engine and switch it off when warm. Since I've started using it more with the horrid hesitation, the problem disappears instantly. Oh yes, Lexus USA never called me back last week like they promised so I am growing impatient. I literally just want Toyota to do the software update and have LUSA pick up the tab and I'll be happy. Is that so much to ask? Regardless, next car won't be a Lexus.
Why were you using a 40 weight oil in your LS originally? Doesn't it call for 5W 30 or O W20 now. I am wondering if using a 40W oil in the LS had something to do with your problem, not thin enough/too thick to get to all the tight spaced passages/parts. The LS has a very finicky engine/timing system, many people say after oil changes they notice a hesitation that can be very extreme in some cases and I don't know if there is a answer found why it does it. Some of the cure has been using a Lexus engine flush, likely a Lubro Moly flush and then putting fresh oil in. I would try the engine flush and put a 5W 30 or OW 30 oil in it(no 40 weight or 20) and see what happens before you write it off as valve springs.

Also if the valve springs were replaced, aren't they warrantied for the life of the car if they fail again, complain to Lexus corporate about that and the extreme cost of a engine rebuild or new engine.
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Old Sep 23, 2020 | 10:15 AM
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I have an 07 with about 128,000 miles and I experienced this hesitation issue also.

I went to AutoZone and bought a supply of injection cleaner and added it to the gas
in double the dosage specified and after a couple of tankfuls of gas the issue was gone.

That and putting in only the highest octane premium gas....

Maybe just maybe .........
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Old Sep 23, 2020 | 01:06 PM
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Many threads on this issue. Here is one. https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls-...-solved-3.html

After having my ECM reflashed in 2015 at 80,000 miles (this was a TSB I believe), The problem went away. Now at 133,000 miles it may have occurred again. The hesitation occurred for about 10 miles after the last oil change. Lexus' fix is to replace the heads! In about 6 months I will have the oil changed again and try "snow mode" as a way to safely drive the car until the problem goes away - again.
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Old Nov 18, 2020 | 06:00 PM
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Thank you all for the extremely informative responses in this thread. I have been dealing with the hesitation issues for the past 4 months out of the 7 months total that I've had the car. This is a huge safety issue no doubt about that. That alone should automatically make this a first priority for Lexus and cover the expenses.

So if the valve adjusters/slack adjusters or whatever they're called have been replaced under warranty, should they be a lifetime warranty coverage item regardless of ownership? I am terrified that I'm going to be presented with either purchasing new heads and labor or maybe finding a 2013+ engine (it was a suggestion to look for a '13 or newer) or trade it/sell it for a huge loss.

Today something else is happening that's new. When sitting at a light, the idle drops down to around 400 rpms and sounds like it's going to stall out. I get home and stop in ny driveway and now I can hear it chattering under the hood. I put the shifter into neutral, reverse then park. The chattering goes away and the idle goes back up to around 800-900 rpms. So only in drive does it drop to 400 rpms and makes the absurd noise, and in N, R or P it doesn't do it.

I've always put premium fuel in the car and usually get fuel at the same two or three stations. I also put Lucas fuel injector cleaner in every other fill up. I bought specific Toyota 0W-20 synthetic oil and an oem oil filter for this oil change that I'll be doing to try and fix this "transmission shifting" issue.

I did take it to Lexus of Nashville over a month ago to see if they could figure the problem out and they couldn't duplicate the issue, but I did get the "check engine" light to come on when I took their lead tech for a drive. It was a P2174 for a shift solenoid D malfunction. They also performed an ecu update for the hesitation issue. They didn't charge me anything for their diagnostics, ecu update, the RX350 loaner, or the mechanics time. I was speechless, I've never been treated that way. They said they talk with Corporate for fixes and if Lexus can't fix the car then they can't charge the customer if they don't find the fix. Not a fix, but what exactly fixes it. They won't throw parts at it. I absolutely loved this work ethic and behavior. BUT I am still driving an expensive luxury/ diplomat vehicle that can't even get out of it's own way at the most dangerous times when I'm driving it.

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Old Dec 26, 2020 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mathyewgt
Thank you all for the extremely informative responses in this thread. I have been dealing with the hesitation issues for the past 4 months out of the 7 months total that I've had the car. This is a huge safety issue no doubt about that. That alone should automatically make this a first priority for Lexus and cover the expenses.

So if the valve adjusters/slack adjusters or whatever they're called have been replaced under warranty, should they be a lifetime warranty coverage item regardless of ownership? I am terrified that I'm going to be presented with either purchasing new heads and labor or maybe finding a 2013+ engine (it was a suggestion to look for a '13 or newer) or trade it/sell it for a huge loss.

Today something else is happening that's new. When sitting at a light, the idle drops down to around 400 rpms and sounds like it's going to stall out. I get home and stop in ny driveway and now I can hear it chattering under the hood. I put the shifter into neutral, reverse then park. The chattering goes away and the idle goes back up to around 800-900 rpms. So only in drive does it drop to 400 rpms and makes the absurd noise, and in N, R or P it doesn't do it.

I've always put premium fuel in the car and usually get fuel at the same two or three stations. I also put Lucas fuel injector cleaner in every other fill up. I bought specific Toyota 0W-20 synthetic oil and an oem oil filter for this oil change that I'll be doing to try and fix this "transmission shifting" issue.

I did take it to Lexus of Nashville over a month ago to see if they could figure the problem out and they couldn't duplicate the issue, but I did get the "check engine" light to come on when I took their lead tech for a drive. It was a P2174 for a shift solenoid D malfunction. They also performed an ecu update for the hesitation issue. They didn't charge me anything for their diagnostics, ecu update, the RX350 loaner, or the mechanics time. I was speechless, I've never been treated that way. They said they talk with Corporate for fixes and if Lexus can't fix the car then they can't charge the customer if they don't find the fix. Not a fix, but what exactly fixes it. They won't throw parts at it. I absolutely loved this work ethic and behavior. BUT I am still driving an expensive luxury/ diplomat vehicle that can't even get out of it's own way at the most dangerous times when I'm driving it.
Did you solve this problem? Your problems sounds transmission related. Some people had success by replacing a transmission wiring harness, apparently oil can get in. There are threads somewhere on here.
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Old Dec 27, 2020 | 02:07 PM
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I have experienced low idle ~500 rpm. Why, I don't know. Happens when the A/C compressor is off. I can turn on the seat heating/cooling and it returns to 700. I don’t think you have a transmission problem.
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Old Dec 27, 2020 | 02:17 PM
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P2174 is a throttle position sensor error and has noting to do with transmission. On other side P2714 is transmission related.

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Old Dec 29, 2020 | 09:55 PM
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I have an 07 LS460 with 166k and had hesitation issues! Went in to dealer, asked for ECU flash, advisor came back and said car has had all flashes done, told me that I needed new heads, 7k plus labor, advised me against it, and sent me in my way! Had my friend check it, found #4 cylinder misfires, took spark plug out of #4 and found that it was broken- came loose from the threaded housing and you could shake it and it would move back and forth! Replaced spark plug, drove it for an hour and no hesitation at all! Went to dealer with it, the did a complimentary 7 spark plug change, picked it up 2 days later, and had a ticking noise, was driving back to dealer the next day and ticking turned to banging, lost power and torque, turned it around and limped home! Dealer has it now, was told that they bore scoped it, valves and cylinders looked good, so “it’s not their fault” they are now going to take it out of the car and actually find out what’s causing this heavy banging under the hood! Head Master Tech says his guess is that it’s a Rod Bearing! We will see! If you read this, you know that they didn’t put an OBD reader on it, if they would have, they would have found the broken spark plug, and the hesitation issue! I know that something happened at that dealership while they did the “complimentary spark plug change”, in my opinion, something was dropped down a spark plug hole, or somebody red lined it while test driving it after the spark plug change! Either way, I’m sick in my stomach! They said they found an engine for 2,500.00 that comes with a 1 year warranty!
so I said how much to build my engine back to spec- their reply “ they don’t yet know what’s wrong with it!” So if that’s the case, why do I need another engine! “As the world turns” will continue after this commercial message!
I sincerely hope that Lexus can turn this ship around, because my first experience with them is not so good for owning this car for less than a year! I love the car, hate the cost of repair! To make matters worse, I bought my son a 2007 GS350 about the same time that I bought my car, and his is now dead!
Good luck to the OP on his dilemma! I hope it all works out well for him!
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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WoodyTx
I have an 07 LS460 with 166k and had hesitation issues! Went in to dealer, asked for ECU flash, advisor came back and said car has had all flashes done, told me that I needed new heads, 7k plus labor, advised me against it, and sent me in my way! Had my friend check it, found #4 cylinder misfires, took spark plug out of #4 and found that it was broken- came loose from the threaded housing and you could shake it and it would move back and forth! Replaced spark plug, drove it for an hour and no hesitation at all! Went to dealer with it, the did a complimentary 7 spark plug change, picked it up 2 days later, and had a ticking noise, was driving back to dealer the next day and ticking turned to banging, lost power and torque, turned it around and limped home! Dealer has it now, was told that they bore scoped it, valves and cylinders looked good, so “it’s not their fault” they are now going to take it out of the car and actually find out what’s causing this heavy banging under the hood! Head Master Tech says his guess is that it’s a Rod Bearing! We will see! If you read this, you know that they didn’t put an OBD reader on it, if they would have, they would have found the broken spark plug, and the hesitation issue! I know that something happened at that dealership while they did the “complimentary spark plug change”, in my opinion, something was dropped down a spark plug hole, or somebody red lined it while test driving it after the spark plug change! Either way, I’m sick in my stomach! They said they found an engine for 2,500.00 that comes with a 1 year warranty!
so I said how much to build my engine back to spec- their reply “ they don’t yet know what’s wrong with it!” So if that’s the case, why do I need another engine! “As the world turns” will continue after this commercial message!
I sincerely hope that Lexus can turn this ship around, because my first experience with them is not so good for owning this car for less than a year! I love the car, hate the cost of repair! To make matters worse, I bought my son a 2007 GS350 about the same time that I bought my car, and his is now dead!
Good luck to the OP on his dilemma! I hope it all works out well for him!
how come your cars keep dying ? Is it the type of cars you buy or what’s going on it’s hard to believe in such a coincidence. If it’s not you then you are not paying enough attention and buying beaten up cars.
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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jdanielca
how come your cars keep dying ? Is it the type of cars you buy or what’s going on it’s hard to believe in such a coincidence. If it’s not you then you are not paying enough attention and buying beaten up cars.
Is there a point to your ignorant comment? Did you read the post, did you understand that the issues usually originate from the work of the dealership! Keep your ignorant comments to yourself, jerk!
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