I bought 1990 LS400, white with the Nakamichi sound system, it had grey interior. Loved that car, a pleasure to own and drive, bought used and kept it till 170k miles and gave it to my in-laws, it was totaled in an accident. Had several MB, BMWs and a 911 Porsche GTS. In my opinion Lexus was the only car that needed minimum repair during ownership followed by the Porsche.

98-2000 were great cars as well, that is when they first had the Navigation system.

 

I do like 13+ facelift front and back design that’s why I bought it. It fits my age group well (late 30s). You have the comfort and V8 of Lexus best without suffering the look of the older design.

Now the LS500 is a different story. I have no desire to own or test drive it. I’m sure it’s faster but I’m not a fan of the exterior design. And that fact that’s it V6 TT instead of V8 TT still bothers me.

 

The '13+s have the perfect hint of aggressiveness while still being the classic, quiet cruiser the LS always was.

The magazines can slam it but I want an isolation chamber as a car, a car whose mission is to soothe me.

If I wanted a sports car I'd buy one.

Back when I would work a 12 hour shift on my feet mostly, I remember getting into my comfy car and the soothing drive home. That's what I want.

I assume the LS460 is the same but I was out on the interstate yesterday, the way these things handle expansion bumps is extremely impressive. The way the car "dips" and the refined way the suspension rebounds is amazing.

 

Yep, thats what I want too.

 

I'm going to agree with others, the 2013+ has a more modern look and is laid out much better. The Pre-2010 had a much better Mark Levinson system (my old 2007 (RIP)blows away what my 2014 sounds like), then there is something to be said for touch screens... with the "joystick", I think I would of preferred a touch screen.

Otherwise that I love the 2014....and if you owned one, you also would be singing a different tune...

 

I wasn't aware they changed ML systems. Did they de-power them them because of the issues with the amplifiers?

 

Thats our assumption, but nobody knows for sure.

My ML in my 2017 is great but I never had an earlier 460 to compare.

 

Agree 100% with you on the 460cars.

The 07 cars look terrible.
The 10-12 are a little better, but the 13-17 really hit it out of the park. Not only the beautiful front end, but the gorgeous rear taillights.
I keep shopping 13-17 LS460 L in Matador red. Though I would LOVE a LS600hL, in the 13-17, still quite pricey and rare.

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• Same happened in the LS430 years. The first years, were terrible looking. The 05-06LS430 I had, were the best looking of that generation.

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• Same can be said about the LC/LX 200 series. The 08s look terrible. The mid cycle looks ok. The 16+ looks fantastic.

Maybe the lesson is, the final iteration, looks the best, before the full model change over

 

Yeah, I think the LS430 facelift is one of the best (and most needed) in history. The early ones aren't much to look at and that's being nice.

I think the '10-12s look great still but they are conservative in a way the '13+s aren't. The '13+ cars will just continue to look better and better to me as time goes on.

The '07-09 models look bad, especially with those rims. I like the taillights on the earliest 460s and the overall view from the rear, though.

 

I wouldn't say that at all, I think all the 460s are great looking cars, I just think the 13-17 model got some tweaks that elevated it a lot.

 

The 13+ do look better but to say the earlier models look terrible is being overly dramatic. That's your opinion so I'm not going to debate you on it. That's like saying all the 400s before the 98-00 models year looked bad. I think the least appealing LS was the 01-03 though. I would love to have a 13-17 model but at the time of purchase those models were 20-25k more than my 07 and I could not financially justify the price increase for basically the same car with a prettier face. The 07 does what I need it to do. The newer 460s are a beauty though.

 

sometime over the weekend ill post the photos I took at dealer of pre and post 13 facelift front and rear with both cars next to each other.

for a lot of people the elegance, classiness, clean look, of of the rear and front of pre 13 are superior. its not about what you own, its what you feel.

something either moves you or doesn't.. as an example, I walk up to my car and I am emotionally connected to it in a good way with the presence, the look, the subtle elegance without trying like the 13 plus do in front end in particular.

look at the ls500 forum, about as much passion and excitement as the 6th gen ES, Why emotion lacking and inspiration of the new ls500.. I happened to like some of the things of the car but when I see it on the road, im turned off with the rear end of the car.. If the post 13, had the new grill of the ls500 that would be ideal... I find it interesting that because of the pre 13 understated grill and edge that those that own the post 13 really think its good looking in front end.. its actually below average it looks like something that doesn't belong

 

Pre and Post world war,

It does not matter what others think but how you feel about your car be it 13+ or 12-, I love my 13 LS460 and I am sure if I had pre 13 I would have felt the same otherwise I would have gotten rid of it. The most I felt at the time for a car was the 1990 LS400 which I thought at the time the best ever, and I owned prior to that 1977 MB 280S and 1986 BMW 535i, both cars did not leave an impression with me that the Lexii did.

The new LC500 is a looker and I don't care about the inside space, but I want a V8 and I don't like Turbo engines, money is not an issue in my decision, the more important factor is how I felt about the car and the 13+ did it for me.

 

Nobody is knocking the '10-'12+, either. Or the '07-'09. They're all great cars. But Lexus went cheap with the interior until 2013, it was unacceptable to me personally. I could spend an hour listing examples. That ugly grey metal looking plastic by the vents is one.

 

its ok to knock its all about opinions and sharing thoughts... I have had Mercedes, BMW, and Toyotas, and 4 Lexus Vehicles...
the interior of the 2010 I have is comfortable, elegant, functional, and from a 1-10 I rate it a 8. Nothing is cheap about it, the two knocks that are more related to age of the design are the steering wheel is too large, I prefer the one in the 13, and the seat comfort is good not great, my BMW seats are much more supportive for long drives