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Given it only comes in the heavier AWD configuration, the 600hL is as fast as the RWD 760Li, so it does perform like a V12, just not the twin-turbo'ed V12's from Mercedes with 500+hp & 6-700+ lb.ft peak torque. Plus they have to detune the 5.0 litre V8 to make only 389 hp, so the hybrid LS can get a SULEV emissions rating ...
I know many do not care for that rating, including me ...
I know many do not care for that rating, including me ...
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i used to think the same, but if i'm not mistaken i recall bmw M performance division only makes M cars that compete in some competition. In some ways that makes their M followers distinct that they're buying cars built off the platform of their competition line. i don't think there's a division that races full size luxury sedans. back in the 90's i do know the M5 was raced in some DTM competitions. they at M division have certain standards that they want their cars to perform or so as i was told.
ndk83 umm..... why do u guys think there is no Alpina B7?
srcada The LF-A has been nixed according to autoweek due to economy and fact that Toyota lost money for the first time in 70+ years. If there not building the v-10 for that car I can't see them building it at all. I would buy an LS-F in a heartbeat if it really performed, I was #1 on the waitlist to buy the 600h because they said it would perform like the v12's from MB, once it came out and I found out it was slower from 0-60 than a 460 it was a huge let down & I couldn't justify the extra $$$
The LF-A has been nixed according to autoweek due to economy and fact that Toyota lost money for the first time in 70+ years. If there not building the v-10 for that car I can't see them building it at all. I would buy an LS-F in a heartbeat if it really performed, I was #1 on the waitlist to buy the 600h because they said it would perform like the v12's from MB, once it came out and I found out it was slower from 0-60 than a 460 it was a huge let down & I couldn't justify the extra $$$
i think whoever sales told you the 600hl was as fast as the s600, he was silly at best. who would came up with that claim between a v12 twin turbo vs v8 hybrid
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The heart of the B7 is a 4.4 litre V8 engine that is charged through the use of a radial (Nautilus-type) compressor. The combination of Valvetronic and charging is world first. Through the use of Valvetronic's complete functionality, the charge is controlled by varying the valve opening depth and the boost pressure. This charging helps the Alpina engine generate impressive performance figures: topspeed is around 300 kph, with 100 kph flashing by in 4.9 seconds.
engine V8
position Front Longitudinal
aspiration Nautilus-type Supercharger w/Air to Ait Intercooler
valvetrain 4 Valves per Cyl /Valvetrronic Variable Timing
fuel feed Not Availablen
displacement 4398 cc / 268.4 cu in
bore 92 mm / 3.62 in
stroke 82.7 mm / 3.26 in
compression 9.0:1
power 372.9 kw / 500 bhp @ 5500 rpm
specific output 113.69 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 235.29 bhp per tonne
torque 700 nm / 516.3 ft lbs @ 4250 rpm
redline 6200
driven wheels RWD
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There is no LS-F on the development board. A LS "F-Sport" should debut later this year. The GS "F-sport" and IS-C "F-sport" just debuted.
As for BMW, Henry is right on with them not making a M7 or M3 CSL but they WILL make a X5 M and a X6 M. "M" has a new director and he was the guy (moron) to axe the CSL and instead go forward with 5,000 lbs monstrosities.
Alpina is a different as its considered a car makers in Europe. Reviews of the last B7 were fantastic. Sports Car International called it the best big sedan they ever drove.
As for BMW, Henry is right on with them not making a M7 or M3 CSL but they WILL make a X5 M and a X6 M. "M" has a new director and he was the guy (moron) to axe the CSL and instead go forward with 5,000 lbs monstrosities.
Alpina is a different as its considered a car makers in Europe. Reviews of the last B7 were fantastic. Sports Car International called it the best big sedan they ever drove.
i just hope they don't put the same fsport wheels on the ls f-sport, that'd be disastrous 
for the life of me i can never understand m on the x5. i mean, i am sure it will handle well, but it can never be anything like the m3 or m5. in fact, whatever the x5 m can do, i am sure a "m7" is capable too
for the life of me i can never understand m on the x5. i mean, i am sure it will handle well, but it can never be anything like the m3 or m5. in fact, whatever the x5 m can do, i am sure a "m7" is capable too
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