rominl

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there is no option for that anymore. on all the older lexus nav, there is a way to override the system and use it while driving. but not anymore on the new nav system 07+ i believe.

and i mean, nav lockout isn't something new on lexus anymore, they've been like that since day 1. the override method for old nav wasn't discovered till like 2003 or 2004 anyway. the ls460 forum has to be the forum that i hear the most complaints on. not saying it's a bad thing, just a fact

moreover, there is pretty simple aftermarket fix for it already, got the override module and i am a very happy man

encore888

Yup, and just to reference the override module rominl mentioned, here is the thread about it:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=313365

FntcToy

Right...got the thread...trust me, I've read it...and reread it...

As a newbie, I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but it seems to me that a programmable hack (as I call it) has to exist.

Are you telling me that service techs have NO WAY of overriding the lockout? How do they diagnose an issue that an owner may have? I doubt they use this module, and I doubt they tear apart the dash to do so...

And romini, I'm not bashing you, but do you really believe this is a "simple fix" on an $80k car? Tear the dash apart on a brand new car to plug in a module that I seriously believe could void your warranty?

C'mon, no one wants to ante up on this?

rominl

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let's just say i have done a lot of research on the programmable hack. i think i was one of the first to access the diagnostic screen here, and that's no go, unlike previous nav system. and i have talked to 3 lexus master tech / diagnostic specialist. they all said they don't know of any way to override on this system. by all means, if you know of a way, share. i know i have spent my time.

and seriously, prove me how they could void the warranty when everything is plug and play. simple or not is subjective i guess. driving could be a challenging task for some already. taking the dash apart wasn't too bad to me. those 3gs and 2is people splicing and cutting wires they are playing with fire for sure, but in my case, give me 30 mins and everything is back to complete stock

that's what i believe, you don't have to agree, doesn't really matter to me. honestly if that's that big of a deal to anyone, then i completely agree lexus is not a car for them. that's just how lexus is and everyone will have their way to accept things.

and like i said couple of times before, stop say this is a "80k" car and something is "supposed" to be.... it's a car, that's it. before you say that, imagine the people who bought a freaking 500k lambo that has quality issues. i heard the same complaint from acura owners back then when they said they don't expect rattles from a 30k acura.... i don't know what to think anymore

to me i have done so much research and study on this subject. from 04 to 06 on the sc430, and on the ls460 since its debut last year. this is what i have found so far and i think i have settled on a good solution for myself.

don't take me wrong, i am not trying to argue with anyone (nor would i). i agree it's an issue lexus could make better by following some others (like acura), but it is how it is. either you find a way to go around it (like me) or just accept it (like some). nothing is ever perfect. just when you make something better, you will see people pick on something else.

it's the case for all new lexus models. when the 3gs came out, people complain this and that, including nav. when the 2is came out, people complained about this and that, including nav. and here we have the same issue on the ls460 as well. voice your opinion, but move on, that's the key. spinning around the same wheel for over a year is not going to change anything like that. i moved on already, after 3 months, and i am happy

again, not trying to offend anyone here

mmorozov

About to begin installation of the TV-NAVI kit. Any last words of advice?

Patric

If it appears complex I would tag things as I go so I could back out of it if I hit a dead end. That has saved my bacon in the past with my short memory and old age.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Pat

FntcToy

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Originally Posted by rominl

and like i said couple of times before, stop say this is a "80k" car and something is "supposed" to be.... it's a car, that's it. before you say that, imagine the people who bought a freaking 500k lambo that has quality issues.

Yeah, I've read the related comments in the forum on this. And, on those complaints, I agree with you. But, I think you're missing the point of my comment here. I am not expecting anything out of a car simply because of what it costs... My point is that I'm not tearing apart the dash on my new $80k car. I wouldn't have done so on the $60k RRS. Had the hack not been found, I would have lived with it. What you believe is a "simple fix," I just don't, regardless of the price of the car. For me, a "simple fix" would be a programmable hack.

If it doesn't exist, so be it...

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Originally Posted by rominl

let's just say i have done a lot of research on the programmable hack. i think i was one of the first to access the diagnostic screen here, and that's no go, unlike previous nav system. and i have talked to 3 lexus master tech / diagnostic specialist. they all said they don't know of any way to override on this system. by all means, if you know of a way, share. i know i have spent my time.

Question asked, and apparently answered, thank you.

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Originally Posted by rominl

and seriously, prove me how they could void the warranty when everything is plug and play. simple or not is subjective i guess. driving could be a challenging task for some already. taking the dash apart wasn't too bad to me. those 3gs and 2is people splicing and cutting wires they are playing with fire for sure, but in my case, give me 30 mins and everything is back to complete stock

As for warranty, it is very subjective, for sure. My thought is that this is something that Lexus could look at as a warranty void. Plug-and-play, for sure! But, let me ask you this... Are you going to spend that hour (30 minutes before/30 minutes after) every time you take your car in for service, just to go back to complete stock? If not, do you chance that Lexus finds the module, makes a note of it, and at some point possibly voids your warranty?

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Originally Posted by rominl

this is what i have found so far and i think i have settled on a good solution for myself.

With due respect, romini, I am not trying to argue, either. I am thrilled this solution works for you, and apparently a lot of others. I was looking for the solution that worked for me.

Time to move on...

rominl

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this is what i love about this forum. a lot of people are very matured and all for good discussions we don't have to agree with each other but we understand each other

anyway, mmorozov, like i said in other thread, be patient and take your time, read over the instructions to get familiar with things and steps. a lot of towels for protection so you don't scratch anything. definitely try to have someone to "hold" stuff for you

encore888

Yeah, the override is a good solution for many on this forum, but not everyone. I can see where the concerns about warranty come in, and realize that those who do it take the risk of it being found out...although I'd hope that most of the time they aren't reported. As for maintenance, like others have pointed out there is a diagnostic screen but evidently the override button is missing this time around...seems they went for an even more hard-line approach to the lockout.

rominl

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the way i see it, if you go in for maintenance / oil change, no one is going to take apart your dash. and without doing that, there is no way they can find out. on the other hand, if you are asking for a replacement of the radio unit, you better do your work and take out the override. i think that's one area where it's pretty clear cut. unless they go through the trouble to just look behind the nav unit, i don't see how they can find out

mmorozov

My dealer has specifically said that it will not void the warranty. I guess I'll just need to go to that dealership all the time. Or better yet go to my personal mechanic or other car shops

rominl

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oh that's very nice!

FntcToy

Very nice, indeed!

Nospinzone

Certainly a dealer would be within their rights to refuse warranty repairs on systems/parts that have been tampered with, but frankly most dealers would not hassle a customer over this unless a factory rep had to see the vehicle and approve the work. I have seen dealers perform warranty work for repairs that clearly were not covered, but it satisfied the customer and the manufacturer was paying for it anyway.

FntcToy

Good story related to your post, plus I see the Infiniti in your signature...

Before my '03 GS3 I had a 2002 QX4. The rear brakes were warped since day one. You could feel the telltale shake in the brake pedal. Dealer worked on them 6 times under warranty before calling in a factory rep. The rep drove the car and stated no problem found. Forbid the dealer from doing more work under warranty. The service manager then says to me, "Well, I can't do anymore work and charge it back to Infiniti. But, if you're willing to pay for it, I'll get in there and see what I can find..."

Long story short, called an attorney, and after a few more months, the truck went back to Infiniti under the California Lemon Law. I put 25k miles on it in a year and a half, and Infiniti gave me EVERY penny (including atty fees) I had put into it, except gas. They even prorated my second year's DMV fees and gave me the balance back.