I don't have the wind noise, so I don't know how bad it is, but even if I did have some wind noise, I never drive without the radio, CD or HDD on ..... and usually loud!

 

I think many of us LS460 owners with a wind noise problem are very sick of the Rawjany and others including at least one of the moderators who don't own the 460 ,but, based on a test drive profess to be experts advising that the quietness of the cabin accentuates the wind noise which should not be considered an issue. As an owner of many luxury vehicles over many years, I can tell prospective buyers to be careful as the wind noisre I experience is not normal in a luxury sedan of the LS design and caliber. I would also ask those who don't own the car and have not lived with it long term to not pretend to be experts in the issues of 460 ownership. Done venting for now.

 

are you saying i am the moderator who doesn't own a ls460? you must not read enough, what a poor mistake you made. just because someone doesn't say he owns the car, it doesn't mean he doesn't. don't pretend to be smart, keep your comments to yourself. and i will tell you here as well. whoever owns or does not own the car can comment, as long as they are constructive. you don't have the word expert over yourself neither

 

I'd like to echo what rominl said. The point of this thread is to give suggestions to a prospective LS 460 buyer. A sensible suggestion to check for wind noise was given, and that is fine and good. However, there is no need to turn this into a wind noise debate. If the other drivers have tested the vehicles and found no wind noise, that is as valid an opinion as another's. If they become owners, hopefully their vehicles will stay that way. For those who have the wind noise issue, hopefully it will be better addressed, forthcoming.

To the OP, hopefully you will get a good deal, should you choose to purchase this car.

 

I certainly didn’t mean to create any debate or argument among members here. Apologies if that has happened.

Since I have test driven the car and really liked it, the purpose of starting the thread was to find out what I should consider to be a good deal on the price. That question has been answered and I appreciate everyone’s feedback. It will be helpful in my purchasing process.

Meanwhile, the wind noise issue really seems to drive some owners crazy. A question for those owners who have the problem: why not get a different car? It seems that you are truly unhappy with the LS, so why keep it? I don’t want to stir up a whole new debate here, I’m just curious why an owner would keep a product that they are dissatisfied with. Is the car so great in all other aspects that you’ve learned to live with the wind noise?

 

no problem at all, LS Fan, you asked a very valid question and i definitely hope you got the answer you want. definitely welcome again to clublexus, and let us know when you get your car!

 

i do not own a ls 460 correct, but i have been in the lexus family since 1995. iam currently in the market. u dont have to own a car to notice the kind of wind noise u r talking about. i have test driven the car for almost 2 hours each time and i will stand by my observation. i am not saying that you dont have the noise problem, but to assume that every car has it is totally childish.
the forum is about voicing opinions , bouncing off ideas, and discussing our experiences, not a place to dictate our views on others. hope this will clarify my position.

 

I have 2 answers to this question:

1. Lease term
2. Steep depreciation

Getting rid of a newly leased or purchased 70K car will cost between 10-15K.


It's the "other aspects" that drive me crazy. I can live with natural wind noise (not the whistle)

 

I think anyone can express opinions, but when they turn to saying the wind noise issue is repetitive and overblown as both of you non owners have said, I take exception. Until you spend $70000 to have to listen to an unacceptable level of cabin noise, please don't act as an LS460 expert and draw such blanket conclusions. Opinions are fine, unfounded conclusions are not.

 

i am curious, who were you referring to when you said "both of you"? i just want to make sure you are still not making the poor mistake about me being an owner or not. you are absolutely right that i don't know ls460, coz' my car's msrp is way more than 70k.

and for the record, my super long review of the wind noise issue, which i have yet to see a more detailed one, was not based on any test drives.

 

I am very interested about this wind noise issue so I TOOK my time and read as much information as possible on this topic. Somehow I came across a very detailed review of this issue by Henry (aka rominl). I wonder if those are "unfounded conclusion" that you are refering to. If so, you should definite read more before commenting as well. Oh, BTW I own a LS460L as well (just in case if you are trying to ask me the same question).

 

This forum will never be like the MB forums or BWM high end auto's.

I'm curious, what do you mean by that?

 

460 Lex I appreciate your input. You are right, CL is a very different site from the German sites. I am laying down my arms on this issue and declaring a truce.
Just know those of us with the wind noise problem get really pissed off at people who try to minimize the problem. It is the most significant unintended and unresolved problem with the 460. I say unintended problem to differentiate from the nav lockout problem which is a problem that Lexus intended to create. I have unfortunately solved the nav problem by carrying my Garmin 680 in the 460.
For Newbie, the reason I hang on to a flawed 460 is 1) I still hope the problem can be fixed, 2) I like Lexus and have not found another car I would like to replace it with and 3) I refuse to take the 20% depreciation hit on this car until I am sure the problem can't be fixed.

 

I owned 8 Mercedes from 1979 to 2002. Unfortunately everything said here is exactly right. In particular you DO become part of the family....but not in a good way.