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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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Why is an LS 600hL worth the extra money (~$10,000 it appears) than a fully loaded LS 460L when the LS 600hL offers, at least according to lexus.com, the same acceleration as the 460L (.1 sec slower, actually, but it's close enough to be considered "comparable")?

Does it have newer features not available on the 460L? Will savings from the pump really amount (and surpass) the $10,000 extra paid for the 600hL?

Maybe I'm missing something huge here. Someone please clarify.
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 09:05 PM
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The key advantage I see is the all wheel drive. Whether or not that is worth the extra money is up to the individual.
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actually a fully loaded 600hl is around 120k, so probably around 20k more.

whatever on paper is on paper, but with the hybrid setup, the tq is the key. the high speed pick up on the 600hl is going to be faster. it has dual stage cvt so it's going to be smoother. then you get awd so probably better handling (together with vsss, which is a big plus). of course you get the led headlights too and full leather dash. but then again you lose another big chunk of the trunk. moreover, you get more out of the pre-collision system compared to the ls460l

so there you go
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
whatever on paper is on paper, but with the hybrid setup, the tq is the key. the high speed pick up on the 600hl is going to be faster. it has dual stage cvt so it's going to be smoother. then you get awd so probably better handling (together with vsss, which is a big plus). of course you get the led headlights too and full leather dash. but then again you lose another big chunk of the trunk.
Trunk capacity of the 600hL listed as 11.65 cu.ft, compared to 12 cu.ft. of the 460L with rear seat upgrade.
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
moreover, you get more out of the pre-collision system compared to the ls460l

Why is that? Is it different from the current system?
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Robarapta
Trunk capacity of the 600hL listed as 11.65 cu.ft, compared to 12 cu.ft. of the 460L with rear seat upgrade.
umm...... maybe i need to see it in person, if possible, then. coz' i was just reading the july vip magazine which shows the ls600hl trunk. it looks even shallower than the 460l with the rear upgrades..?!

nos, for starters, the 600hl has the steering wheel monitor that monitors if the driver is looking ahead or not
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Ah ha, I did read about that. Thanks!
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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nos, for starters, the 600hl has the steering wheel monitor that monitors if the driver is looking ahead or not

Except you can't get it except with the NM edition or the launch edition, if my dealer is to be believed. I wasn't able to order it.
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I would stick with a fully loaded 460.

Other than exclusivity and AWD, there really is no benefit. For some people exclusivity and AWD is worth the extra $$$...
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I cant wrap my big noggin over the price of $120,000. Its been a couple of minutes, I still cant.....maybe because I cant afford it!!!! I talked to my salesman buddy at Lexus and he told me that dealers only get alloted 2 LS600hL and you have to be a current "elite of lexus" winner or you dont get any allocations!
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Except you can't get it except with the NM edition or the launch edition, if my dealer is to be believed. I wasn't able to order it.
umm, good point, i think i also read about it. guess we all have to wait to confirm if it's only the NM version that gets vsss huh
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Options that the LS600h L has over the LS460:
1) more wood and more leather (leather dash and doors, wood on the assist handles)
2) AWD Torsen
3) Hybrid powertrain
4) 438 horses versus 381
5) Fuel Economy (i guess) and SULEV rating
6) exclusiveness
7) LED Headlights
8) blue badges

whether or not thats worth 20K is up to you. My guess is that the hybrid powertrain and AWD are the main differences in cost.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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Except you can't get it except with the NM edition or the launch edition, if my dealer is to be believed. I wasn't able to order it.
My dealer said they could not build any with advanced pre-collision system currently (other than NM) due to a shortage of components but that they would be available again in 2-3 months and my choice was to take car without or wait. I figured I've waited this long and want the car the way I want it so I'm waiting.
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Originally Posted by RXSF
Options that the LS600h L has over the LS460:
1) more wood and more leather (leather dash and doors, wood on the assist handles)
2) AWD Torsen
3) Hybrid powertrain
4) 438 horses versus 381
5) Fuel Economy (i guess) and SULEV rating
6) exclusiveness
7) LED Headlights
8) blue badges

whether or not thats worth 20K is up to you. My guess is that the hybrid powertrain and AWD are the main differences in cost.
i thought the 600hl gas mileage is 20/22? if so i think the 460 has better mileage?
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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well...in a way i meant gas mileage for the power. But...for instance, my RX says 18/24 but i get 13, mostly intown driving. I imagine a hybrid to be much better in in town driving.
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