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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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The firing order is correct. I can see the timing belt as I have taken off the covers to the distributor caps. The belt looks to be in good condition and is tight. This has got me stomped
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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Where did you spray the starting fluid?

I think that all of us have assumed that you sprayed it directly into the throttle body, but you might not have...

If you are getting spark spraying starting fluid directly into the throttle body will get the engine to sputter.

You will need to take your intake plastic tubing completely off to do this. If you still get nothing after spraying the starting fluid directly into the TB then double/triple check your spark plug wiring to make sure you are correct. Do you have the diagram?

http://www.lexls.com/tutorials/ignition/sparkplugs.html


I sincerely doubt that your engine has skipped timing, but stranger things have happened.

Post back your results.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 10:30 AM
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My motor at this point looks exactly like picture number 16, I had someone press on the gas pedal and spray it in the throttle body, no sputter, no nothing. I checked my firing order yesterday based upon this http://autorepair.about.com/library/...bl-fo-8712.htm ..
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Ok, good so far...

How did you verify that you are getting spark?

Also, have you performed a compression check on all 8 cylinders?
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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I took out each plug and had someone turn the key over and see if it was arcking, they all did. I have not done a compression test on all cylinders, do you know what the compression should be?
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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just cuz they are sparking doesnt mean u r getting the rpoper spark and at the correct time it should be sparking....r u getting a good crank from the starter?
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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Is the timing belt turning when the motor cranks?
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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Have you pulled a spark plug? Plugs could be fouled.

Just because it has spark to the leads does not guarantee spark at the plugs. Combination of fouled plugs and weak coils and or leaky leads could prevent firing. If the valve timing is good and you actually have spark the starter fluid should have at least fired a couple of times. Sounds like no spark in cylinders... pull a plug and inspect, test, replace if needed. Make sure the leads will spark a grounded plug.

Is the timing belt "good" or "new"? If new possibly out of position.
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Old Apr 1, 2009 | 05:34 AM
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Compression should be 178psi or more on a warm engine. Minimum should be 142psi on a warm engine. 14psi max variation between cylinders.

Your compression may be slightly low since you will be trying to do this on a cold engine. If you notice any cylinders that are significantly low try pouring a cap full of oil in them and redo the test. If compression comes up with oil in the cylinders then your rings/cylinders are fried. If not then you have a blown headgasket or leaky valves due to a misaligned timing belt or burnt valves. (This is unlikely, but possible)

I would also suggest testing the resistance of your coils, cam position sensors and crankshaft position sensor.

Ignition coil:
Primary
Cold - 0.36-0.55Ω
Hot - 0.45-0.65Ω
Secondary
Cold - 9.0-15.4kΩ
Hot - 11.4-18.1kΩ

Cam Position Sensor:
Cold 835 - 1,400Ω
Hot 1,060 - 1,645Ω

Crankshaft Position Sensor:
Cold 835 - 1,400Ω
Hot 1,060 - 1,645Ω

Since you'll be working on a cold engine, use the cold values listed above.

Python is correct about weak/incorrect sparking. Just because you have spark when the plugs are out of the engine, doesn't mean that they have spark in the cylinder while under compression. Your starting fluid test would indicate that this may be the case provided that your timing isn't off.

Report back what you find.
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Old Apr 1, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Ok I will check compression. I know where the coils are located, I have a volt ohm meter now how do I test them? Not sure where the cam sensor or crankshaft sensors are and how do I test those? Thanks alot for all the help
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