LF-A will debut in Tokyo...Details Oct 21st...
If anything, Lexus might want to under produce the LF-A on purpose. The LF-A was never design to make a profit, it is design to gain market share of Lexus' other models. The more exclusive the car is, the more of a Halo effect it has.
It sounds like you just started to follow the LF-A news a few days ago, since the almost-confirmed rumor of a limited production run of 500 units for the LF-A has been around for a while now. It certainly looks like Lexus is going to "under-produce" the LF-A to maintain its exclusivity (and to justify its rumored $500k price tag) if all rumors are true.
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I haven't seen or heard exact figures, but surely the cost of the LF A project to date is way over $1 Billion. It's likely to be in the range of several billion dollars once the car goes on sale and development is completed. What I do know however is that the LF A project budget has skyrocketed WAY past original budget expectations and projections. With this project of course, that is not an issue since Toyota has no specific time or money limits on the project. Coincidentally, the original LS project never had any time or money limits on it either.
Athough both the LS and the LF-A projects are expensive, there were a lot more at stake with the LS project. The LS was going to propel Lexus to the top of the Japanese luxury market or sink Toyota deeply into the red. The LF-A project, fail or secceed will noy make or break Toyota.
Athough both the LS and the LF-A projects are expensive, there were a lot more at stake with the LS project. The LS was going to propel Lexus to the top of the Japanese luxury market or sink Toyota deeply into the red. The LF-A project, fail or secceed will noy make or break Toyota.
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If the LF-A sold 2000 cars its still "Exclusive".
Even if it produced 10,000 cars worldwide it would still be quite exclusive. However, I think we're overexpecting here. Perhaps Lexus will produce these in limited quantity for the first few years and then make it a special-order type deal like the GT-R and the V10 R8. I honestly don't see the point in spending billions of dollars in development only to produce 500 units. Even if they sell these 500,000 at the dealership, they'll only make $250 million and that's not pure profit.
For someone who is in the field of business such as myself this is nowhere near financially viable, even if it is only to bring up the brand image.
For someone who is in the field of business such as myself this is nowhere near financially viable, even if it is only to bring up the brand image.
That's $250 billions, not millions.If they do sell only 500 units though, that'll be $250 millions in sales at obvious loss indeed.
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I think its a great sign though that even if (and it will) it sells at a loss, it was still produced. Toyota hasn't done that in a loooooooooooong time. This is about passion and trying to produce the best sports car. Hell the NSX lost 800 million or so for Honda
and that car is a LEGEND.
Hopefully the "halo" will shine down on other vehicles that can be profitable.
Who knows, maybe its a 20th anniversary present for Lexus.
Maybe it will be the new Corolla GTS
and that car is a LEGEND. Hopefully the "halo" will shine down on other vehicles that can be profitable.
Who knows, maybe its a 20th anniversary present for Lexus.
Maybe it will be the new Corolla GTS
I think its a great sign though that even if (and it will) it sells at a loss, it was still produced. Toyota hasn't done that in a loooooooooooong time. This is about passion and trying to produce the best sports car. Hell the NSX lost 800 million or so for Honda
and that car is a LEGEND.
Hopefully the "halo" will shine down on other vehicles that can be profitable.
Who knows, maybe its a 20th anniversary present for Lexus.
Maybe it will be the new Corolla GTS
and that car is a LEGEND. Hopefully the "halo" will shine down on other vehicles that can be profitable.
Who knows, maybe its a 20th anniversary present for Lexus.
Maybe it will be the new Corolla GTS


Please bring an SC to bridge the gap between IS-C and LF-A!
I think its a great sign though that even if (and it will) it sells at a loss, it was still produced. Toyota hasn't done that in a loooooooooooong time. This is about passion and trying to produce the best sports car. Hell the NSX lost 800 million or so for Honda
and that car is a LEGEND.
Hopefully the "halo" will shine down on other vehicles that can be profitable.
and that car is a LEGEND. Hopefully the "halo" will shine down on other vehicles that can be profitable.
No, just the IS-F and the GS-F won't do at all, sports sedans are NOT real sports cars. They need more sport coupes/verts period - new SC, with F model variation, a real IS/IS-F coupe and they should have a GS/GS-F coupe too, & preferably another smaller, dedicated sports model too. Otherwise all this "halo" effect the LF-A is supposed to have will mostly be wasted.
It is still very unclear to me whether they are going ahead and build the LF-A production car only because they have already spent too much time & money on the LF-A, & not that they are really interested in putting more effort to offer more sports/sporty models in their line-up.
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It is still very unclear to me whether they are going ahead and build the LF-A production car only because they have already spent too much time & money on the LF-A, & not that they are really interested in putting more effort to offer more sports/sporty models in their line-up.
Still, talk is cheap. Action speaks volumes. So far they haven't committed to anything specific, but I'm guessing the first step is the reveals at the Tokyo Motor Show...LF-A, "Toyobaru" coupe, LS 460 Sport model...Mark Templin didn't deny the possibility of an IS-F coupe, only said that they are "studying" it...but I'm guessing it will require some patience.
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Not a great sign at all if they do not have other more affordable Lexus coupes/convertibles added to their line-up.
No, just the IS-F and the GS-F won't do at all, sports sedans are NOT real sports cars. They need more sport coupes/verts period - new SC, with F model variation, a real IS/IS-F coupe and they should have a GS/GS-F coupe too, & preferably another smaller, dedicated sports model too. Otherwise all this "halo" effect the LF-A is supposed to have will mostly be wasted.
It is still very unclear to me whether they are going ahead and build the LF-A production car only because they have already spent too much time & money on the LF-A, & not that they are really interested in putting more effort to offer more sports/sporty models in their line-up.
No, just the IS-F and the GS-F won't do at all, sports sedans are NOT real sports cars. They need more sport coupes/verts period - new SC, with F model variation, a real IS/IS-F coupe and they should have a GS/GS-F coupe too, & preferably another smaller, dedicated sports model too. Otherwise all this "halo" effect the LF-A is supposed to have will mostly be wasted.
It is still very unclear to me whether they are going ahead and build the LF-A production car only because they have already spent too much time & money on the LF-A, & not that they are really interested in putting more effort to offer more sports/sporty models in their line-up.
My bet, I'm trying to be ready for the onslaught of products that I HOPE is coming...
Not a great sign at all if they do not have other more affordable Lexus coupes/convertibles added to their line-up.
No, just the IS-F and the GS-F won't do at all, sports sedans are NOT real sports cars. They need more sport coupes/verts period - new SC, with F model variation, a real IS/IS-F coupe and they should have a GS/GS-F coupe too, & preferably another smaller, dedicated sports model too. Otherwise all this "halo" effect the LF-A is supposed to have will mostly be wasted.
It is still very unclear to me whether they are going ahead and build the LF-A production car only because they have already spent too much time & money on the LF-A, & not that they are really interested in putting more effort to offer more sports/sporty models in their line-up.
No, just the IS-F and the GS-F won't do at all, sports sedans are NOT real sports cars. They need more sport coupes/verts period - new SC, with F model variation, a real IS/IS-F coupe and they should have a GS/GS-F coupe too, & preferably another smaller, dedicated sports model too. Otherwise all this "halo" effect the LF-A is supposed to have will mostly be wasted.
It is still very unclear to me whether they are going ahead and build the LF-A production car only because they have already spent too much time & money on the LF-A, & not that they are really interested in putting more effort to offer more sports/sporty models in their line-up.







