quad

My response was with regard to this statement:

"I think you need to realize in ANY race whether on the track or on the street, it's always the driver that determines the faster car!!!! "

It's true for "like" cars of comparable HP/TQ, but not true in ANY race...

That's all I was suggesting.

Quad

quad

Correct, the Lexus does NOT have the lowest HP numbers of the lot.

Quad

mugenh22a4

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Although the M3 has less torque at the crank, it can still manage to keep up because it can afford shorter gearing because of its higher 8,300 rpm redline. In other words, it's got greater torque multiplication through its shorter gearing. I haven't done the math, but I would imagine the torque at the wheels is similar to the IS-F's, despite the lower crank torque.

Juanca

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Too much reading to realize that most of the comments are based on magazines, friends of friends, etc. How many of you guys have driven all these cars and can make an unbiased review?

M3 drives beautiful, it's as fast as an ISF as long as you keep shifting at redline, otherwise it feels like you dropped 4 cylinders somewhere on the road.

S4 (actually I've driven an S5) is a very nice car, slow and heavy but NICE.

C63: brutal, monster engine for a C-Class chassis. Other than the few cosmetic additions, it can pass as a C250.

CTS-V is in a different class, it should be compared to a 5-Series, E-Class, or GS series. Refined american muscle car, that means improved cheap interior (compared to all other cars on this thread) with a huge displacement engine.

ISF... I'm on my second one!

ISF001

Lexus friends tell me 2014 and possibly 2015. Expect some more horsepower, design enhancements to the body, but it is unlikely that you will find drastic change to the heart of the car.

The recent independent 3rd party survey that I completed for Lexus on the F smacked of a high degree of caution in radically altering the car.

I'm sure that it will attract the typical Lexus F buyer seeking a balance of super-car like performance and a Lexus-branded cockpit with creature comforts...and a higher price tag.

s4play

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I've driven all of those plenty of times - if I had to grab the key to one car the most often, it would be the M3 - best balance IMO.

C63 is like a muscle car drag racer in disguise, awesome power, so-so looks and always thirsty for gas. I swore I filled that thing up like 5 times going to LA! haha

xXLDXx

Here is an update for anyone that interested.
In the video is the Revo technik chipped B8 S4 vs the newest RS4 (which I assume faster than the ISF ?)

Enjoy!!!

Lexura1414

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The RS4 is slower than the F. See the videos below and cry:

Sonicjlee

A stock IS-F is faster than a stock B7 RS4 (drivers being equal) but the RS4 vs S4 video above featured a B8 RS4 which is not available in the US yet...that could be quicker than an IS-F.

Anyone run their IS-F against an RS5 yet? That would be the closest thing to a B8 RS4 that we have access to in the US.

Lexura1414

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I did not bother watching the videos as this RS4 is not even available in the U.S. The RS5 might be a little faster than F.

BS ISF

Toothdoc and I ran last fall at the track with a tune and intake only B8 S4 and he was running 12.5-.7! I believe a stasis or Apr tune. Quick with launch control cutting high 1.8 60' times. Mph was lowaround 107-09 though.

Roffles

Someone in my neighborhood just got a B8 S4 and they were messing with me a bit. It wasn't the time or place to race so I just figured the guy was trolling. So I get home and see what the new S4 is about and I see this video.


Decently fast but nothing special to about 70mph, but then the acceleration drops off a cliff as its crawls to 80-90-100+. I would absolutely murder one of these on a freeway in stock form. It would take a major tune and full bolt-ons to make up for its lack of decent rolling acceleration. Why was that guy messing with me?

CometVR4

^^^ It appears as though he's struggling with that 335i

vbb

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I drove a B8 S4 during my shopping phase before I got my ISF. Beautiful interior and solid car, but not up to par with an ISF on performance. Many people have said it's more of a competitor to the 335i, and I'd agree. Tuned S4s go about as fast as tuned 335is. The right combo of tune and bolt ons can make it faster than a stock ISF, but out of the box, it's a notch below the ISF.

Even though it is slower, the S5 is one of my favorite cars under $65k out there though.

Juanca

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^^^ I totally agree with you! I tested drove a beautiful S5 late in 2011, I loved the car but once you get used to the ISF performance, you don't want to go any slower. I ended up buying another ISF.