Profiled Again?
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From: Windward, Oahu
wow, mean how some of the posters didnt seem to read the ORIGINAL POST... he was the DD, now hes a drunk and a terrorist 
If i made a post and said, i was up late last nite playing video games, what would people say? 'oh well you shouldn't have been robbing that bank'??? makes me wonder what kinda jobs pay so well to afford a lexus and yet use of the brain is optional...
If i made a post and said, i was up late last nite playing video games, what would people say? 'oh well you shouldn't have been robbing that bank'??? makes me wonder what kinda jobs pay so well to afford a lexus and yet use of the brain is optional...
Last edited by llamaboiz; Dec 5, 2010 at 06:08 PM.
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wow, mean how some of the posters didnt seem to read the ORIGINAL POST... he was the DD, now hes a drunk and a terrorist
If i made a post and said, i was up late last nite playing video games, what would people say? 'oh well you shouldn't have been robbing that bank'??? makes me wonder what kinda jobs pay so well to afford a lexus and yet use of the brain is optional...
If i made a post and said, i was up late last nite playing video games, what would people say? 'oh well you shouldn't have been robbing that bank'??? makes me wonder what kinda jobs pay so well to afford a lexus and yet use of the brain is optional...
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Thats terrible, does anyone know if they checked the trunk. I find it hard to believe that the OP would be supplying uranium to Iran, I could understand if it was unobtainium, I just hope no navi' were hurt.
Well ... I don't have an F, but I still consider any 2IS a "nice car" ... so I'll throw in my story....
I do believe cops go after people with nice cars ... I have had cops follow me, sometimes for miles, when I wasn't speeding or doing anything wrong... Cruise control, 65mph, in the middle lane(s) of the freeway is not "reasonable cause" to follow me almost all the way home
I do believe cops go after people with nice cars ... I have had cops follow me, sometimes for miles, when I wasn't speeding or doing anything wrong... Cruise control, 65mph, in the middle lane(s) of the freeway is not "reasonable cause" to follow me almost all the way home
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I didn't even share my story in the Clubhouse but I was recently "detained" (that means cuffed) and had my car searched b/c I "fit the profile of a suspect" at my SCHOOL of all places.
For some of us, it is a part of life. Veral you are a young guy so just get used to it in GA
I've got stories for days.......
For some of us, it is a part of life. Veral you are a young guy so just get used to it in GA
I've got stories for days.......
its a fact that hooked up cars attract attention and cops know they have a chance to get you for something...be it loud music/exhaust dark tint or what have you...and anyway u look at it thats profiling whether you like it or not.
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The cop was wrong and he was out fishing for drunks. This isn't **** Germany but it will be if you feel that it was justified. It's another freedom slipping away.
I didn't even share my story in the Clubhouse but I was recently "detained" (that means cuffed) and had my car searched b/c I "fit the profile of a suspect" at my SCHOOL of all places.
For some of us, it is a part of life. Veral you are a young guy so just get used to it in GA I've got stories for days.......
For some of us, it is a part of life. Veral you are a young guy so just get used to it in GA
I've got stories for days.......
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Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7
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From: TX
Sorry about that. I didn't see the part where you were the designated driver. It was a long 12 hour shift and, ironically, I had just arrested a DWI.
As a Police Officer I can give you my perspective on what happened but I wasn't there so I don't know what your officer did.
I work in Texas so this will be Texas only information.
I can stop a vehicle based on three scenarios:
1. Probable Cause - a crime has been committed. Didn't signal 100 feet before a turn, drove 1 MPH over the limit, defective LP light, etc.
2. Reasonable Suspicion - defined as more than a hunch but less than absolute proof of wrongdoing. Weaving within a lane for example.
3. Community Caretaking - erratic driving that requires intervention. A person in diabetic shock drives like a drunk for example or maybe someone very fatigued.
Okay, so you are stopped and you have a few friends in your car who have been drinking. Its winter and your windows are rolled up until the officer contacts you. You roll your window down and the officer is literally hit with a blast of alcohol coming from your buddies breath. Its very distinct and we've smelled it a thousand times. Now the officer has to figure out if you are one of the people he smells or are sober. Sure, he could take your word and send you on your way but how many people lie to the Police when confronted with arrest? Also, if he releases you without investigating to confirm your sobriety what do you think will happen to him if you are intoxicated and wreck a few miles down the road and kill someone? Its his *** both civilly and criminally!
This is a very serious business for Officers. Consider that almost 50% of all traffic fatalities involve intoxicated drivers. Not only that but we are also the ones who have to do the death notifications to the families. I always thought that a judge should order a DWI/DUI offender to come with me when I tell a mother and father that their daughter was just killed by a wrong way driver on the interstate. Of course, there's always the pure horror of the accident scene itself. See enough of those and your dreams will never be the same. So yeah, maybe some of us are a little more proactive in seeking out drunks than others. Its a thankless job that ultimately keeps people alive. The drunk never thanks me and the person who he didn't kill won't ever know that they made it home safe because I just arrested the guy ten miles down the road who blew a 0.248 on the intoxilyzer.
Once again, I apologize for thinking you had been drinking. I'm always happy when I run into a situation like yours but they are exceedingly rare. Also, in Texas and most of the country (its a Federal requirement) we are required to document the race of everyone we stop. Its a Racial Profiling requirement and, at least for law enforcement, profiling only refers to a stop based on a persons race. Cars can't be profiled because of fancy wheels or a quad exhaust, etc.
I love my IS-F and I'm dreading the day I get a ticket in it. I will have to report it to my chain of command and will be issued a formal reprimand that goes into my employment record and gets passed on to my next employer. Different rules for different professions I suppose.
As a Police Officer I can give you my perspective on what happened but I wasn't there so I don't know what your officer did.
I work in Texas so this will be Texas only information.
I can stop a vehicle based on three scenarios:
1. Probable Cause - a crime has been committed. Didn't signal 100 feet before a turn, drove 1 MPH over the limit, defective LP light, etc.
2. Reasonable Suspicion - defined as more than a hunch but less than absolute proof of wrongdoing. Weaving within a lane for example.
3. Community Caretaking - erratic driving that requires intervention. A person in diabetic shock drives like a drunk for example or maybe someone very fatigued.
Okay, so you are stopped and you have a few friends in your car who have been drinking. Its winter and your windows are rolled up until the officer contacts you. You roll your window down and the officer is literally hit with a blast of alcohol coming from your buddies breath. Its very distinct and we've smelled it a thousand times. Now the officer has to figure out if you are one of the people he smells or are sober. Sure, he could take your word and send you on your way but how many people lie to the Police when confronted with arrest? Also, if he releases you without investigating to confirm your sobriety what do you think will happen to him if you are intoxicated and wreck a few miles down the road and kill someone? Its his *** both civilly and criminally!
This is a very serious business for Officers. Consider that almost 50% of all traffic fatalities involve intoxicated drivers. Not only that but we are also the ones who have to do the death notifications to the families. I always thought that a judge should order a DWI/DUI offender to come with me when I tell a mother and father that their daughter was just killed by a wrong way driver on the interstate. Of course, there's always the pure horror of the accident scene itself. See enough of those and your dreams will never be the same. So yeah, maybe some of us are a little more proactive in seeking out drunks than others. Its a thankless job that ultimately keeps people alive. The drunk never thanks me and the person who he didn't kill won't ever know that they made it home safe because I just arrested the guy ten miles down the road who blew a 0.248 on the intoxilyzer.
Once again, I apologize for thinking you had been drinking. I'm always happy when I run into a situation like yours but they are exceedingly rare. Also, in Texas and most of the country (its a Federal requirement) we are required to document the race of everyone we stop. Its a Racial Profiling requirement and, at least for law enforcement, profiling only refers to a stop based on a persons race. Cars can't be profiled because of fancy wheels or a quad exhaust, etc.
I love my IS-F and I'm dreading the day I get a ticket in it. I will have to report it to my chain of command and will be issued a formal reprimand that goes into my employment record and gets passed on to my next employer. Different rules for different professions I suppose.
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Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,353
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From: Louisiana
This is just a tiny example but the entire system is corrupt with power from the TOP DOWN. The police state is coming of age right now. The TSA style patdowns WILL be coming to the train and bus stations as well as your everyday road block soon.
Kiss your inalienable rights of due process and protection of unlawful search and seizure goodbye! Welcome to america......Papers, please!!!
Dont like the system? Plan on protesting? You'll be labeled a homegrown dissenter and reported to a special branch of DHS for further civil liberties atrocities.
Good luck everyone, I hear Uruguay is nice.
Kiss your inalienable rights of due process and protection of unlawful search and seizure goodbye! Welcome to america......Papers, please!!!
Dont like the system? Plan on protesting? You'll be labeled a homegrown dissenter and reported to a special branch of DHS for further civil liberties atrocities.
The memo, which actually takes the form of an administrative directive, appears to be the product of undated but recent high level meetings between Napolitano, John Pistole, head of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA),and one or more of Obama’s national security advisers. This document officially addresses those who are opposed to, or engaged in the disruption of the implementation of the enhanced airport screening procedures as “domestic extremists.”
The introductory paragraph of the multipage document states that it is issued “in response to the growing public backlash against enhanced TSA security screening procedures and the agents conducting the screening process.” Implicit within the same section is that the recently enhanced security
screening procedures implemented at U.S. airports, and the measures to be taken in response to the negative public backlash as detailed [in this directive], have the full support of the President. In other words, Obama not only endorses the enhanced security screening, but the measures outlined in this directive to be taken in response to public objections.
The terminology contained within the reported memo is indeed troubling. It labels any person who “interferes” with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, “including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day” as a “domestic extremist.” The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.
For individuals who engaged in such activity at screening points, it instructs TSA operations to obtain the identities of those individuals and other applicable information and submit the same electronically to the Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division, the Extremism and Radicalization branch of the Office of Intelligence & Analysis (IA) division of the Department of Homeland Security.
For “any person, group or domestic alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel “disruptions” at U.S. airports (as defined above) in response to the enhanced security procedures, the [applicable DHS administrative branch] is instructed to identify and collect information about the persons or entities, and submit such information in the manner outlined [within this directive].
The introductory paragraph of the multipage document states that it is issued “in response to the growing public backlash against enhanced TSA security screening procedures and the agents conducting the screening process.” Implicit within the same section is that the recently enhanced security
screening procedures implemented at U.S. airports, and the measures to be taken in response to the negative public backlash as detailed [in this directive], have the full support of the President. In other words, Obama not only endorses the enhanced security screening, but the measures outlined in this directive to be taken in response to public objections.
The terminology contained within the reported memo is indeed troubling. It labels any person who “interferes” with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, “including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day” as a “domestic extremist.” The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.
For individuals who engaged in such activity at screening points, it instructs TSA operations to obtain the identities of those individuals and other applicable information and submit the same electronically to the Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division, the Extremism and Radicalization branch of the Office of Intelligence & Analysis (IA) division of the Department of Homeland Security.
For “any person, group or domestic alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel “disruptions” at U.S. airports (as defined above) in response to the enhanced security procedures, the [applicable DHS administrative branch] is instructed to identify and collect information about the persons or entities, and submit such information in the manner outlined [within this directive].
Last edited by 06isDriver; Dec 6, 2010 at 08:59 AM.
wow, mean how some of the posters didnt seem to read the ORIGINAL POST... he was the DD, now hes a drunk and a terrorist
If i made a post and said, i was up late last nite playing video games, what would people say? 'oh well you shouldn't have been robbing that bank'??? makes me wonder what kinda jobs pay so well to afford a lexus and yet use of the brain is optional...
If i made a post and said, i was up late last nite playing video games, what would people say? 'oh well you shouldn't have been robbing that bank'??? makes me wonder what kinda jobs pay so well to afford a lexus and yet use of the brain is optional...
it does lead to believe that he did have a drink or 2. does that result in him being drunk, probably not (depending on his weight and tolerance). i could be wrong but reading what he wrote, thats how i took it.
Sorry about that. I didn't see the part where you were the designated driver. It was a long 12 hour shift and, ironically, I had just arrested a DWI.
As a Police Officer I can give you my perspective on what happened but I wasn't there so I don't know what your officer did.
I work in Texas so this will be Texas only information.
I can stop a vehicle based on three scenarios:
1. Probable Cause - a crime has been committed. Didn't signal 100 feet before a turn, drove 1 MPH over the limit, defective LP light, etc.
2. Reasonable Suspicion - defined as more than a hunch but less than absolute proof of wrongdoing. Weaving within a lane for example.
3. Community Caretaking - erratic driving that requires intervention. A person in diabetic shock drives like a drunk for example or maybe someone very fatigued.
Okay, so you are stopped and you have a few friends in your car who have been drinking. Its winter and your windows are rolled up until the officer contacts you. You roll your window down and the officer is literally hit with a blast of alcohol coming from your buddies breath. Its very distinct and we've smelled it a thousand times. Now the officer has to figure out if you are one of the people he smells or are sober. Sure, he could take your word and send you on your way but how many people lie to the Police when confronted with arrest? Also, if he releases you without investigating to confirm your sobriety what do you think will happen to him if you are intoxicated and wreck a few miles down the road and kill someone? Its his *** both civilly and criminally!
This is a very serious business for Officers. Consider that almost 50% of all traffic fatalities involve intoxicated drivers. Not only that but we are also the ones who have to do the death notifications to the families. I always thought that a judge should order a DWI/DUI offender to come with me when I tell a mother and father that their daughter was just killed by a wrong way driver on the interstate. Of course, there's always the pure horror of the accident scene itself. See enough of those and your dreams will never be the same. So yeah, maybe some of us are a little more proactive in seeking out drunks than others. Its a thankless job that ultimately keeps people alive. The drunk never thanks me and the person who he didn't kill won't ever know that they made it home safe because I just arrested the guy ten miles down the road who blew a 0.248 on the intoxilyzer.
Once again, I apologize for thinking you had been drinking. I'm always happy when I run into a situation like yours but they are exceedingly rare. Also, in Texas and most of the country (its a Federal requirement) we are required to document the race of everyone we stop. Its a Racial Profiling requirement and, at least for law enforcement, profiling only refers to a stop based on a persons race. Cars can't be profiled because of fancy wheels or a quad exhaust, etc.
I love my IS-F and I'm dreading the day I get a ticket in it. I will have to report it to my chain of command and will be issued a formal reprimand that goes into my employment record and gets passed on to my next employer. Different rules for different professions I suppose.
As a Police Officer I can give you my perspective on what happened but I wasn't there so I don't know what your officer did.
I work in Texas so this will be Texas only information.
I can stop a vehicle based on three scenarios:
1. Probable Cause - a crime has been committed. Didn't signal 100 feet before a turn, drove 1 MPH over the limit, defective LP light, etc.
2. Reasonable Suspicion - defined as more than a hunch but less than absolute proof of wrongdoing. Weaving within a lane for example.
3. Community Caretaking - erratic driving that requires intervention. A person in diabetic shock drives like a drunk for example or maybe someone very fatigued.
Okay, so you are stopped and you have a few friends in your car who have been drinking. Its winter and your windows are rolled up until the officer contacts you. You roll your window down and the officer is literally hit with a blast of alcohol coming from your buddies breath. Its very distinct and we've smelled it a thousand times. Now the officer has to figure out if you are one of the people he smells or are sober. Sure, he could take your word and send you on your way but how many people lie to the Police when confronted with arrest? Also, if he releases you without investigating to confirm your sobriety what do you think will happen to him if you are intoxicated and wreck a few miles down the road and kill someone? Its his *** both civilly and criminally!
This is a very serious business for Officers. Consider that almost 50% of all traffic fatalities involve intoxicated drivers. Not only that but we are also the ones who have to do the death notifications to the families. I always thought that a judge should order a DWI/DUI offender to come with me when I tell a mother and father that their daughter was just killed by a wrong way driver on the interstate. Of course, there's always the pure horror of the accident scene itself. See enough of those and your dreams will never be the same. So yeah, maybe some of us are a little more proactive in seeking out drunks than others. Its a thankless job that ultimately keeps people alive. The drunk never thanks me and the person who he didn't kill won't ever know that they made it home safe because I just arrested the guy ten miles down the road who blew a 0.248 on the intoxilyzer.
Once again, I apologize for thinking you had been drinking. I'm always happy when I run into a situation like yours but they are exceedingly rare. Also, in Texas and most of the country (its a Federal requirement) we are required to document the race of everyone we stop. Its a Racial Profiling requirement and, at least for law enforcement, profiling only refers to a stop based on a persons race. Cars can't be profiled because of fancy wheels or a quad exhaust, etc.
I love my IS-F and I'm dreading the day I get a ticket in it. I will have to report it to my chain of command and will be issued a formal reprimand that goes into my employment record and gets passed on to my next employer. Different rules for different professions I suppose.
