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j0rg305 Dec 15, 2018 05:54 AM

IS200t Sluggish
 
Hey guys, I just traded in my 2016 IS200t and got a new IS300 base and have noticed that this new car feels much quicker and more responsive. I did a quick search and couldn’t find anything on this, but does anyone know if for these newer models Lexus Made and engine tweaks or modifications to the transmission? It seems as if this car is actually ready to go when I hit the pedal whereas the 2016 was always missing some pep in its step...
thanks!

Burrcold Dec 15, 2018 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by j0rg305 (Post 10384738)
Hey guys, I just traded in my 2016 IS200t and got a new IS300 base and have noticed that this new car feels much quicker and more responsive. I did a quick search and couldn’t find anything on this, but does anyone know if for these newer models Lexus Made and engine tweaks or modifications to the transmission? It seems as if this car is actually ready to go when I hit the pedal whereas the 2016 was always missing some pep in its step...
thanks!

If it's a 2019 then yes they revised the ECU.

j0rg305 Dec 15, 2018 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Burrcold (Post 10384760)

If it's a 2019 then yes they revised the ECU.

that’s good news...do you know what was changed? It feels like a totally different engine

Burrcold Dec 15, 2018 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by j0rg305 (Post 10384779)


that’s good news...do you know what was changed? It feels like a totally different engine

The only details given were in the press kit:

New Standard Features:
  • Revised ECU programming on rear-wheel drive IS 300s for improved throttle response, optimized transmission shifts and quicker turbocharger response

EXE46 Dec 16, 2018 12:53 PM

Good news for you J0rg305, but toyota won't release the updates to those of us who have to drive this thing everyday. Makes no sense, this update should be applied to all prior years. It's what all other manufacturers would do; I wonder if the 0-60 time is now changed?

Burrcold Dec 16, 2018 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by EXE46 (Post 10385667)
Good news for you J0rg305, but toyota won't release the updates to those of us who have to drive this thing everyday. Makes no sense, this update should be applied to all prior years. It's what all other manufacturers would do; I wonder if the 0-60 time is now changed?

What other manufacturers would do this?

Htony Dec 16, 2018 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by j0rg305 (Post 10384738)
Hey guys, I just traded in my 2016 IS200t and got a new IS300 base and have noticed that this new car feels much quicker and more responsive. I did a quick search and couldn’t find anything on this, but does anyone know if for these newer models Lexus Made and engine tweaks or modifications to the transmission? It seems as if this car is actually ready to go when I hit the pedal whereas the 2016 was always missing some pep in its step...
thanks!

Does IS200t have 2.0 turbo? German 2.0 turbo now puts out 280 horse.

E46CT Dec 17, 2018 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Htony (Post 10385701)
Does IS200t have 2.0 turbo? German 2.0 turbo now puts out 280 horse.

The new X2 230i M Sport (4 turbo) will push 300 horse and 330 lb ft of torque. BMW is doing amazing things with the new turbo 4s and 6s. so much so, Toyota selected BMW as the supplier for the engines it's newest sports car and will use BMW's Turbo 4 and Turbo 6.

Toyota believes in German technology

lychee416 Dec 17, 2018 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by E46CT (Post 10386280)
The new X2 230i M Sport (4 turbo) will push 300 horse and 330 lb ft of torque. BMW is doing amazing things with the new turbo 4s and 6s. so much so, Toyota selected BMW as the supplier for the engines it's newest sports car and will use BMW's Turbo 4 and Turbo 6.

Toyota believes in German technology

What are your sources for your input? Any links?

arentz07 Dec 17, 2018 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by lychee416 (Post 10386293)
What are your sources for your input? Any links?

It's pretty widely expected that the Supra will have BMW drivetrains in it.

For example: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ylinder-supra/

Now strictly speaking, it doesn't confirm outright that the engine will be a BMW engine, but considering the co-development of these cars, and the fact that the Toyota is also using BMW elements on the interior including the gear selector, as well as the ZF 8-sleed, it makes a lot of sense that they would also share engines or at least a compatible engine from BMW, such as the rumor that the engine is the same spec as it appears in the X5.

Edit: Well now that E46CT mentions it, yeah the engine codes are identical.

E46CT Dec 17, 2018 09:50 AM

^ Nah both engines are lifted straight from BMW and dropped in the Supra. No question, no debate.

E46CT Dec 17, 2018 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by lychee416 (Post 10386293)
What are your sources for your input? Any links?

I re
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...9cf6a216f7.jpg
posted this a few months ago here. anyway R&T got a hold of a Toyota internal document some time ago. It's been circulated.

Those codes circled are internal BMW codes for the respective engines


Htony Dec 17, 2018 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by E46CT (Post 10386280)
The new X2 230i M Sport (4 turbo) will push 300 horse and 330 lb ft of torque. BMW is doing amazing things with the new turbo 4s and 6s. so much so, Toyota selected BMW as the supplier for the engines it's newest sports car and will use BMW's Turbo 4 and Turbo 6.

Toyota believes in German technology

Audi, MB are doing the smae thing trying to squeeze out all the horse power they could get. I wonder how they deal with heat problems.

E46CT Dec 17, 2018 10:36 AM

plenty of heat exchangers, air inlets. higher capacity systems (more water) probably fine for street use but track/race use might be tricky.

TonyN Dec 17, 2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by E46CT (Post 10386280)
The new X2 230i M Sport (4 turbo) will push 300 horse and 330 lb ft of torque. BMW is doing amazing things with the new turbo 4s and 6s. so much so, Toyota selected BMW as the supplier for the engines it's newest sports car and will use BMW's Turbo 4 and Turbo 6.

Toyota believes in German technology

until it starts leaking at the valve cover, vanos, and have rod bearing issues. Been there, no thanks bmw.


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