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I switched to Akebono and 0 brake dust issues now, and the braking power feels better now.
By definition that's false. The stock pads use a high friction german compound. you can smell the beer and the metallic scent from here. this means they grab the rotors harder than the quackie-bonos you installed.
the only benefit you'd get from your setup would be less dust. but never better feel, and never better stopping power. objectively. by definition.
you can argue degrees, but not absolutes in this case. metal always stops better than the ake-alternative.
By definition that's false. The stock pads use a high friction german compound. you can smell the beer and the metallic scent from here. this means they grab the rotors harder than the quackie-bonos you installed.
the only benefit you'd get from your setup would be less dust. but never better feel, and never better stopping power. objectively. by definition.
you can argue degrees, but not absolutes in this case. metal always stops better than the ake-alternative.
Once again this is not true. First of all, define "German compound..?". The ACTUAL fact is that ceramic and metallic have nearly the same performance. You are an ignorant person that uses the word "never" too often. Open your eyes.
By definition that's false. The stock pads use a high friction german compound. you can smell the beer and the metallic scent from here. this means they grab the rotors harder than the quackie-bonos you installed.
the only benefit you'd get from your setup would be less dust. but never better feel, and never better stopping power. objectively. by definition.
you can argue degrees, but not absolutes in this case. metal always stops better than the ake-alternative.
hmm, so you're saying thousands of people, with different cars, are wrong when it comes to the "quackie bonos" you're referring to? sorry, but i'm inclined to believe hundreds and thousands of people that have used these pads not to mention akebono would've stopped manufacturing these if they were getting refunds or issues with them. either way i'll find out myself when i install them when they arrive, until then these are akebono's, not quackie-bonos.
hmm, so you're saying thousands of people, with different cars, are wrong when it comes to the "quackie bonos" you're referring to? sorry, but i'm inclined to believe hundreds and thousands of people that have used these pads not to mention akebono would've stopped manufacturing these if they were getting refunds or issues with them. either way i'll find out myself when i install them when they arrive, until then these are akebono's, not quackie-bonos.
Don't worry about Akebonos' man. They are high performing brakes. This E46 kid just has German **** in his mouth.
You can check them quite easily if you remove the wheel. I would say at 15k if you drive hard then it’s probably time. No way to tell unless you check them though as some people have gone 30k somehow with the stock pads lol.
I agree, with the IF in there. If you are braking hard often, such as on some "spirited" driving, you should at least take a look, which you can do yourself as others have pointed out.
Originally Posted by SikhSipahi
If you hear the screech, It's time to replace, they are down to 2mm. Get rotors checked too
Depends. Mine have made noises even as early as 10,000 miles. The issue was that the rotors were scored and needed resurfacing. The issue had nothing to do with pads.
Also, they tend to be noisy when it's cold, but this does not mean they aren't working or are worn down.
Originally Posted by E46CT
Check my signature. Pads $60 every 12-15k.
Our cars in F Sport form have use high wear high performance German pads. They wear out fast but do the job well and are worth it.
I think the effect of driving spiritedly is magnified by the sporty pads we have, but they don't need replacement at 15,000 miles unless you have been using them. If you are just commuting or driving normally, you can go well over 20,000 as I have. Last service I got was at 22,000 miles, and the service adviser said the pads were still green. I asked specifically about them just to be sure.
By definition that's false. The stock pads use a high friction german compound. you can smell the beer and the metallic scent from here. this means they grab the rotors harder than the quackie-bonos you installed.
the only benefit you'd get from your setup would be less dust. but never better feel, and never better stopping power. objectively. by definition.
you can argue degrees, but not absolutes in this case. metal always stops better than the ake-alternative.
Hit me in the feels why don't ya. It feels good to not wash my wheels the day after I washed them. I could be wrong about the braking power because I never objectively measured it but honestly braking power is superb akebono or ake-no-no.
I agree, with the IF in there. If you are braking hard often, such as on some "spirited" driving, you should at least take a look, which you can do yourself as others have pointed out.
Depends. Mine have made noises even as early as 10,000 miles. The issue was that the rotors were scored and needed resurfacing. The issue had nothing to do with pads.
Also, they tend to be noisy when it's cold, but this does not mean they aren't working or are worn down.
I think the effect of driving spiritedly is magnified by the sporty pads we have, but they don't need replacement at 15,000 miles unless you have been using them. If you are just commuting or driving normally, you can go well over 20,000 as I have. Last service I got was at 22,000 miles, and the service adviser said the pads were still green. I asked specifically about them just to be sure.
According to my first change i had 4mm left on them. Considering how abrasive they are and how fast they wear, i didn't want them to wear out and sneak up on me when i didn't have time to change them or if the weather was bad etc. I could have drove longer, to the mileage you said. but at that point you're playing russian roulette with your brakes! The thinner the lining, the less heat your pads can take before the material starts to glaze. That can snowball quickly. i think i found the stock pads for $27 at Rockauto even.
E46CT has never used Akebono pads so he can't say anything other than "facts based on objective science". There is more to the performance of brake pads or the perception of performance, that he can't understand since he's never compared the two first hand. It's no different than me saying BMW's suck...just because on paper they are less reliable.
I'm just gonna throw out there, akebono pads come in different flavors. They have a proact, euro, and performance. Just like how EBC has red yellow and green. Etc etc. People run different pads for different reasons.
Akebono pads are great if you don't want to deal with brake dust.
Oem pads are great if you don't care about the dust or the wear.
I can't speak for any of the other pads. I'm using carbotech pads bc a friend recommended them for me to try them.
But i do want to note, you should keep using the same pad as you are now if you plan on keeping the rotors I've been told by many that when you change up different pads and compounds, your rotors and pads will wear faster than expected bc the pad and rotor aren't properly mated and such.
I could be totally wrong and just superstitious too. But whatever makes sense to you and your wallet should be what you do.
At the end of the day run whatever you want to run that works for you. There have been numerous threads on different brake pads etc. If you’re not running “OEM German pads” E46CT is going to say you’re wrong lol. You can check every thread on this and you’ll see he says it every time. I think he is just outdated. I am not trying to start an argument or anything it’s just a fact. I am running Akebono ASP’s aka the Performance version and the brake dust issue is not even close as bad and the braking feels about the same, maybe a tiny bit less bite, but it’s negligible tbh.
Edit: They don’t make the ASP’s for the rear so I left the stocks on and they don’t really generate much brake dust.
I prefer oem personally, but our sport brakes like eating the front pads for lunch!
I dont drive hard, but do live in a region with a lot of red lights mixed with country roads where you could get up to 60 mph and then have to stop.
Here is a pic of new vs current on my front brakes after 20k miles (~31,000km for canadians) or 1.25 years of driving for reference. Took this last week when i swapped in the winters.
I've installed those other pads on various other cars before. You think the Lexus 3IS is the first car they made pads for? E46 guys have been using those way before the 3IS existed. lol. We've had the same discussions on this as well, way before this car existed. (Ake vs BMW Sport) People wanting less dust, getting ake-pads, and trying to puff their chest out claiming they're as good as the stock BMW Sport stuff. (who is made by the same German manufacturer that makes our pads) --before I came here, nobody here even knew we had German brakes. That's where my knowledge and experience comes in. =)
So these ake pads, Yes they'll stop your car. But not as well as the stock F sport pads. That is not up for debate. It's inherent in the type of friction material used. Take the brand out of it, take the car out of it. One material bites better than the other and manages heat better as well. It's just fact. Use what you want. I am not vested in any one brand, any type of product, I just call it as I see it. You may want to believe you have the superior performing product since you spent money on it, but it's just not factually true. Just as I would not claim the F Sport pads are superior to a race pad. I am just telling you where you are on the performance spectrum if you use a low dust pad.
Many want to have their cake and eat it too. My motto is always there are no free rides. you want something you'll have to pay for it. That low dust/no dust benefit is not free. Otherwise, Lexus would've thought of it way before you did.
I'm just gonna throw out there, akebono pads come in different flavors. They have a proact, euro, and performance. Just like how EBC has red yellow and green. Etc etc. People run different pads for different reasons.
Akebono pads are great if you don't want to deal with brake dust.
Oem pads are great if you don't care about the dust or the wear.
I can't speak for any of the other pads. I'm using carbotech pads bc a friend recommended them for me to try them.
But i do want to note, you should keep using the same pad as you are now if you plan on keeping the rotors I've been told by many that when you change up different pads and compounds, your rotors and pads will wear faster than expected bc the pad and rotor aren't properly mated and such.
I could be totally wrong and just superstitious too. But whatever makes sense to you and your wallet should be what you do.
Rotors do not need to be replaced, but they do need to be resurfaced.
