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CEL with P0420 code

Old Apr 18, 2021 | 10:11 PM
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I have Lexus is250 (2011)

Recently I got a P0420 catalytic converter inefficiency code.

I used DPF foam to clean the catalytic converter but after only one day, I got the CEL again.
i cleared the code and came again same day.


by watching Bank 1 Sensor 2 reading, the voltages would still fluctuate between about .7 and .4

does any one know how can i solve this?
is that because my CAT is worn out?
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 08:40 AM
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When I had that code, I replaced the O2 sensors. That fixed my issue.

Also check to see if you have an cracks in your exhaust system.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 08:47 AM
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EOBD FACILE android app, free version, will show the temps (see attachment). Maybe it can help if the sensors are reading correctly and/or where is the fault.



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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GrizzlyMan
EOBD FACILE android app, free version, will show the temps (see attachment). Maybe it can help if the sensors are reading correctly and/or where is the fault.



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I tried the torque pro and EOBD FACILE, I found that the O2 sensors are working properly.

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When the engine is running at Normal operating temperature, the O2 sensors give around 527 C for the four sensors.

So. What is the problem now?


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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 12:02 PM
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Did you check for exhaust leaks? VERY common reason for the P0420 on this car is that catalyst takes too long to light off due to exhaust leaks, especially near the Y-pipe. Remember that the efficiency diagnostic runs just as the engine hits operating temperature after warmup, and if the catalyst hasn't lit off yet, you'll get the P0420/P0430 code.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 09:51 PM
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I found a few videos, including Scotty Kilmer, suggesting to use one gallon of paint automotivr thinner to the fuel tank. All reported the same code as yours, and as long as the cat was not rattling, most times got rid of the code. Some report they do this to "help" pass emissions.

*NOTE, the above information use at your own discretion. I have never done this, but seems to give good results to those who have done so.

How old is the car, miles? the life of a CC is affected by how well the car has been maintained and they simply start to get "dirty" after many many yrs of use. Do check for leaks like other suggest.
Almost forgot to mention, on my 4Runner it triggers the code on certain gas stations in the area (in other words cheap lower grade gasoline). Just sayin, put some 93 Shell etc, clear the code and see if it comes back. One of my friends has a BMW, and that car will tell you quick which stations have lower grade fuel, he sticks w Shell and nothing else. I have found Circle K 93oct where I live is good quality.

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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GrizzlyMan
https://youtu.be/1wfoh_k6Y60

I found a few videos, including Scotty Kilmer, suggesting to use one gallon of paint automotivr thinner to the fuel tank. All reported the same code as yours, and as long as the cat was not rattling, most times got rid of the code. Some report they do this to "help" pass emissions.

*NOTE, the above information use at your own discretion. I have never done this, but seems to give good results to those who have done so.

How old is the car, miles? the life of a CC is affected by how well the car has been maintained and they simply start to get "dirty" after many many yrs of use. Do check for leaks like other suggest.
Almost forgot to mention, on my 4Runner it triggers the code on certain gas stations in the area (in other words cheap lower grade gasoline). Just sayin, put some 93 Shell etc, clear the code and see if it comes back. One of my friends has a BMW, and that car will tell you quick which stations have lower grade fuel, he sticks w Shell and nothing else. I have found Circle K 93oct where I live is good quality.
The OP lives in Muscat which is in the Gulf of Oman, they might not have 93. Although that is an oil producing state, they may have crappy gas for the population. That being said, with all the exotic cars there, they may also have extremely high Octane available as well
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A poorly running engine is what destroys a catalytic converter. Running rich for long periods of time. Also including exhaust leaks. Anything that heats it up more than it can handle.

Since you have a scan tool. Check the fuel trims at idle, cruising.

If you check for exhaust leaks, and find none. Reset the codes, and the code sets instantly. The cat is toast.

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Hi all,



I checked the exhaust system and there is no leak. I think the catalytic converter is clogged. Especially I notice poor engine performance. As you know, the lifespan of catalytic converter is only 10 years.



Also, before one month I heard a rattling noise two times coming from under my car, it just came for a few seconds and then disappeared. I ignored the noise because I thought it comes from the vehicle that was beside me.



I am thinking to remove the cats and cleaning them outside the vehicle by using DPF and Catalytic Converter Cleaning Machine.


See thr below O2 sensors voltage that I captured today once I’m using the cruise control system.

P0420 is related to bank 1



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I think you are on the right track, although if it is rattling is more of a replacement than cleaning. The honeycomb internals are loose, no cleaning will help, maybe temporary. If there is loss of performsnce probably the honeycomb grid is tilted in line w the exhaust creating blockage.

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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 09:49 AM
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If it burns/consumes oil and is never opened up and held at like 4K to say go up a long hill, the cats can plug with ash leaving limited flow through them. A Tell tale sign is whistle sound when opened up. That implies restriction.

Based on the temperatures and readings fluctuating, they appear to be working. Don't count them out yet. It could be the sensors getting sluggish.

What fuel treatment products are available over there?
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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 2013FSport
If it burns/consumes oil and is never opened up and held at like 4K to say go up a long hill, the cats can plug with ash leaving limited flow through them. A Tell tale sign is whistle sound when opened up. That implies restriction.

Based on the temperatures and readings fluctuating, they appear to be working. Don't count them out yet. It could be the sensors getting sluggish.

What fuel treatment products are available over there?

my car does not consume oil. I will remove the cats and clean them to avoid any damage to my engine.


I always use 95 octane gas.

but I want to know how many cats does Lexus is have? 2 or 4?





Is that on the picture a catalytic converter? If yes, does it affect the ECU if I remove it? Because it’s located after O2 sensor.
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4 total. 2 up, 2 down.
2 upstream sensors ahead of cats, 2 downstream before 2 secondary cats.

How is it used? What is its daily life?
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