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I will also add, for those with RWD, that if you use tires that have arrows going in the same direction on each side , that you CAN have them rotated from side to the other side. Especially with those who are lowered and experiencing inner edge camber wear can benefit from having them rotated on the same axle. I'm just realizing this (duhhhh). My front tires had been going about 10-15k . 98% of the tire was like new but wires would show cause of the camber wear. I plan on flipping them side to side every 5k now.
Most IS owners experience inner front tire wear due to the factory TOE setting being too aggressive, not because of camber... a proper alignment will fix that.
I have my car aligned about every other month. Just to be sure. It is camber wear and all lowered IS owners have it. Setting a different toe than factory will help distribute some of that rolling force but the camber wear is still the issue.
All IS owners have it period due to the factory toe setting. If it was camber from lowering then stock-height cars wouldn't have the problem, and they do.
I'd recommend a better alignment shop that knows what it's doing.
There's lots of threads on this, with folks who have fixed the issue and often more neg camber than most IS owners. Because they have their toe set properly.
Here's one of a lot of such threads that explains it-
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sus...ve-camber.html
I run -1.5 degrees on all four corners of my Supra and never have wear issues.
Your toe is wrong and will continue to be wrong as long as you let monkeys align your wheels. You need to take the car to someone who knows how to set it up to run at the ride height you want without the wear issues. Your camber could be perfect and you'd still be killing your tires.
Your toe is wrong and will continue to be wrong as long as you let monkeys align your wheels. You need to take the car to someone who knows how to set it up to run at the ride height you want without the wear issues. Your camber could be perfect and you'd still be killing your tires.
when you have any neg camber, and then add toe, you're gunna kill the inside of your tires. my toe was set perfectly and i have -2.4* camber in the rear and have way better tread wear than stock. i also have -3.3* in the rear and dont really see any tire destruction.
I really don't care how "reputable" the guy is. He doesn't know how to do it right if he's telling you a camber adjustment is your only solution. You need more toe-in from where you are now. Too much toe out makes the inside edges wear. Too much toe in makes the outside edges wear. You need to find the right balance point for YOUR car at YOUR ride height and the unusual wear will stop.
Im running -1.7 degrees all around my car and I have practically no irregular tire wear.
Front inside edge wear is toe out. Rear inside edge wear is toe in. Toe out in front helps the car turn in better. Toe in at the rear reduces understeer and helps the car turn. So, if the rear is wearing on the inside edges, you need less toe in which is the exact opposite of what you do for the front.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sus...re-wear-2.html
Inner edge wear should NOT happen again unless there is too much toe out - there is NO other reason. There isn't enough camber in this car to wear anything prematurely
and more in that and the many other threads on the topic
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Kurtz is correct, CAMBER DOES NOT CAUSE THE WEAR typical 2IS experience.
I have -1.8 camber in the rear and I am running my summer tires for almost 35k miles, still running the same tire.
My front have no camber, but bad toe from hitting pothole, I ran through my front tires in less than 10k miles. The tires were almost torn through with irregular wear and bumps.
The reason toe cause wear if not correctly, is the fact that toe adjusts how "straight" your wheels are pointed. Imagine driving straight if your front wheels are pointed like this:
I have -1.8 camber in the rear and I am running my summer tires for almost 35k miles, still running the same tire.
My front have no camber, but bad toe from hitting pothole, I ran through my front tires in less than 10k miles. The tires were almost torn through with irregular wear and bumps.
The reason toe cause wear if not correctly, is the fact that toe adjusts how "straight" your wheels are pointed. Imagine driving straight if your front wheels are pointed like this:
Last edited by mikez; Jun 21, 2010 at 07:19 PM.
Is there a toyota dealer closer? They will service the car for half the price of what lexus will. Lexus by me is charging $60 for an oil change while the toyota dealer across the street is charging me $30
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Kurtz is correct, CAMBER DOES NOT CAUSE THE WEAR typical 2IS experience.
I have -1.8 camber in the rear and I am running my summer tires for almost 35k miles, still running the same tire.
My front have no camber, but bad toe from hitting pothole, I ran through my front tires in less than 10k miles. The tires were almost torn through with irregular wear and bumps.
The reason toe cause wear if not correctly, is the fact that toe adjusts how "straight" your wheels are pointed. Imagine driving straight if your front wheels are pointed like this:
I have -1.8 camber in the rear and I am running my summer tires for almost 35k miles, still running the same tire.
My front have no camber, but bad toe from hitting pothole, I ran through my front tires in less than 10k miles. The tires were almost torn through with irregular wear and bumps.
The reason toe cause wear if not correctly, is the fact that toe adjusts how "straight" your wheels are pointed. Imagine driving straight if your front wheels are pointed like this:
Do you take it to the Lexus dealer for alignment? Toyota?
I'm in Dallas, TX and have no idea where a good alignment place may be.
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Last time I checked you are driving a luxury car. The demographics of this car is not your typical economy, save a buck mentality.
If you can do it yourself then do it yourself. If you want to do it at a Toyota dealer then do that.
If you complain that Lexus oil changes are expensive and why Toyota are so much cheaper then you are living beyond your means.
And don't tell me that the badge is not worth the markup. If its not the badge, the image with the badge, the reliability and peace of mind that came with this badge, then why didn't you buy a toyota?
If you can do it yourself then do it yourself. If you want to do it at a Toyota dealer then do that.
If you complain that Lexus oil changes are expensive and why Toyota are so much cheaper then you are living beyond your means.
And don't tell me that the badge is not worth the markup. If its not the badge, the image with the badge, the reliability and peace of mind that came with this badge, then why didn't you buy a toyota?
Last time I checked you are driving a luxury car. The demographics of this car is not your typical economy, save a buck mentality.
If you can do it yourself then do it yourself. If you want to do it at a Toyota dealer then do that.
If you complain that Lexus oil changes are expensive and why Toyota are so much cheaper then you are living beyond your means.
And don't tell me that the badge is not worth the markup. If its not the badge, the image with the badge, the reliability and peace of mind that came with this badge, then why didn't you buy a toyota?
If you can do it yourself then do it yourself. If you want to do it at a Toyota dealer then do that.
If you complain that Lexus oil changes are expensive and why Toyota are so much cheaper then you are living beyond your means.
And don't tell me that the badge is not worth the markup. If its not the badge, the image with the badge, the reliability and peace of mind that came with this badge, then why didn't you buy a toyota?
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Well the only service I've ever gotten done is 1 alignment, 13 oil changes, and 1 spark plug job. I hardly count that as pissing money away when all of those service cost less than 1 30k package.
Plus I got good service, internet to do my work + conference calls while waiting, and free food. Last time I was at a mechanics I got to sit on a stool in some garage that smelled like grease. Not very productive of my time.
Plus I got good service, internet to do my work + conference calls while waiting, and free food. Last time I was at a mechanics I got to sit on a stool in some garage that smelled like grease. Not very productive of my time.
Well the only service I've ever gotten done is 1 alignment, 13 oil changes, and 1 spark plug job. I hardly count that as pissing money away when all of those service cost less than 1 30k package.
Plus I got good service, internet to do my work + conference calls while waiting, and free food. Last time I was at a mechanics I got to sit on a stool in some garage that smelled like grease. Not very productive of my time.
Plus I got good service, internet to do my work + conference calls while waiting, and free food. Last time I was at a mechanics I got to sit on a stool in some garage that smelled like grease. Not very productive of my time.
Interesting that youd' say someone is living beyond their means when you dont know how they live OR their means. That's kinda messed up.
Some people might consider it extremely foolish to have a lexus dealer change your oil when you can do it yourself at home for 30 bucks. Some people live beyond their means (i guess??) and some people are just plain old lazy and foolish. I guess you'll have all kinds eh?
As far as this being a "luxury car." the way you change the oil, brakes, or basically ANY mechanical work on this car is no different than the way you do the same work on a toyota. I mean, dude, they are toyota parts haha.
Sorry that you had to put up with the garage smelling like grease. Hopefully you didnt get dirty. haha
Last edited by patrick323; Jun 22, 2010 at 11:43 AM.
