springs busting shocks???
Racer
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Aftermarket springs will wear your stock shocks faster if thats what your asking. With the stock 2IS suspension, your shocks should last anywhere from 80k-120k+ miles. I've heard the stocks shocks would last around ~60k with Eibach/F-Sport springs (modest 1" drop), sooner if you use lower springs (H&R, Tein).
Coilovers will need to be rebuilt anywhere from 15k-60k miles depending on how you adjust them and drive.
Coilovers will need to be rebuilt anywhere from 15k-60k miles depending on how you adjust them and drive.
Last edited by Coconut; Aug 5, 2009 at 07:21 PM.
I agree with Coconut on everything except the mileage estimates. I've never heard of any shock lasting 80K miles no matter what springs are used. It's true that many people may drive around on bad shocks for years and years, but that doesn't mean they really lasted that long.
Pole Position
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I have 85k miles on my IS 250 and 75k was with the Eibach Springs. Mind you 95% is smooth highway miles. Everything is settled in for sure and still no bounce.
I figure I'll replace at about 125k when my car is a whopping 4 years old (bought in July of 06')
Do I need another set of springs???
I figure I'll replace at about 125k when my car is a whopping 4 years old (bought in July of 06')
Do I need another set of springs???
Lexus Fanatic
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Coilovers certainly make sense for many looking for more extreme lowering.
But you can't justify them financially based on shock wear with lowering springs because it's not a huge difference with moderate drops. The cost of coilover rebuilds also should be part of the analysis anyway, which is not cheap or convenient.
But you can't justify them financially based on shock wear with lowering springs because it's not a huge difference with moderate drops. The cost of coilover rebuilds also should be part of the analysis anyway, which is not cheap or convenient.
Driver
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It's the height of the drop that effects the longevity of the damper, not the stiffness of the spring. Typically, if you drop a car (60/40 for example) on stock dampers, you move the piston range of motion out of the designed range of the shock, shifting high frequency movement to an area not designed for frequent travel (e.g. at or near the end of the shock's travel range). That's what wears dampers faster and why dealers won't often warranty them.
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It's the height of the drop that effects the longevity of the damper, not the stiffness of the spring. Typically, if you drop a car (60/40 for example) on stock dampers, you move the piston range of motion out of the designed range of the shock, shifting high frequency movement to an area not designed for frequent travel (e.g. at or near the end of the shock's travel range). That's what wears dampers faster and why dealers won't often warranty them.
Shock failures during warranty period on Lexus cars are obviously rare and when it does happen there's leaking due to shock being defective.
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I have 85k miles on my IS 250 and 75k was with the Eibach Springs. Mind you 95% is smooth highway miles. Everything is settled in for sure and still no bounce.
I figure I'll replace at about 125k when my car is a whopping 4 years old (bought in July of 06')
Do I need another set of springs???
I figure I'll replace at about 125k when my car is a whopping 4 years old (bought in July of 06')
Do I need another set of springs???
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Id say springs are a waste of money if you will drive your car for several years, yes you might need to send the coilovers back for revalving but that is alot cheaper than replacing the OEM shocks because yo had springs, so if you are lowering your car and plan to have it long term coilovers is probably a cheaper way to go believe it or not.. Again it all depends on how you drive, I had a car with springs for 3 years but i drove it only about 12k miles every year
Aftermarket springs will wear your stock shocks faster if thats what your asking. With the stock 2IS suspension, your shocks should last anywhere from 80k-120k+ miles. I've heard the stocks shocks would last around ~60k with Eibach/F-Sport springs (modest 1" drop), sooner if you use lower springs (H&R, Tein).
Coilovers will need to be rebuilt anywhere from 15k-60k miles depending on how you adjust them and drive.
Coilovers will need to be rebuilt anywhere from 15k-60k miles depending on how you adjust them and drive.
Id say springs are a waste of money if you will drive your car for several years, yes you might need to send the coilovers back for revalving but that is alot cheaper than replacing the OEM shocks because yo had springs, so if you are lowering your car and plan to have it long term coilovers is probably a cheaper way to go believe it or not.. Again it all depends on how you drive, I had a car with springs for 3 years but i drove it only about 12k miles every year
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There is no good financial justification for either setup. Both are expensive over the average life of ISx50 ownership, when compared to stock. The average ISx50 owner keeps the car only 3 to 4 years. Some will claim to plan to keep the car longer, but they often change their minds.
The springs/shocks will be the most economical solution for most for a realistic average ownership period.
Of course there are other reasons (besides financial justification) to justify coilovers for some and springs for others.
The springs/shocks will be the most economical solution for most for a realistic average ownership period.
Of course there are other reasons (besides financial justification) to justify coilovers for some and springs for others.
Rookie
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From: NJ
I am going with springs, but I prefer the adjustability of coilovers. I actually almost went with coilovers until I found out about the whole rebuilding thing. I would rather push my stock shock until they bust and then just put one some aftermarket shocks. That, to me at least, will be cheaper and more practical. However, for someone else, that might not be the case. To each his/her own.
