Manual IS350 is really out there
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I never understood that torque issue. Chevy has the blown LS9 motor that produces almost 600lbs of torque mated w/ a 6spd transmission on the corvettes..what the heeeezy man 
the supra made a shiezenload of torque too w/ a 6spd as well..where did these tranny manufacturers go toyota!?
the supra made a shiezenload of torque too w/ a 6spd as well..where did these tranny manufacturers go toyota!?
Given the manual 250 gets worse mileage than the auto, the auto in the 350 is quite good, and given almost nobody buys a manual Lexus either (and didn't when they offered em on previous models I might add) it made no sense for Toyota to develop or adapt a larger, heavier, stronger, and more expensive, manual to work in the IS350. The time and cost would likely never have been recouped, certainly not to enough degree to make it worth doing.
Now, maybe if the SC had sold in manual in larger #s, or even if the slower ISes had done so, they'd see some motivation to bother, but as it stands, not so much.
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It's not that stronger transmissions don't exist anymore, it's that they're larger, heavier, and a lot more expensive than low-power-holding ones are.
Given the manual 250 gets worse mileage than the auto, the auto in the 350 is quite good, and given almost nobody buys a manual Lexus either (and didn't when they offered em on previous models I might add) it made no sense for Toyota to develop or adapt a larger, heavier, stronger, and more expensive, manual to work in the IS350. The time and cost would likely never have been recouped, certainly not to enough degree to make it worth doing.
Now, maybe if the SC had sold in manual in larger #s, or even if the slower ISes had done so, they'd see some motivation to bother, but as it stands, not so much.
Given the manual 250 gets worse mileage than the auto, the auto in the 350 is quite good, and given almost nobody buys a manual Lexus either (and didn't when they offered em on previous models I might add) it made no sense for Toyota to develop or adapt a larger, heavier, stronger, and more expensive, manual to work in the IS350. The time and cost would likely never have been recouped, certainly not to enough degree to make it worth doing.
Now, maybe if the SC had sold in manual in larger #s, or even if the slower ISes had done so, they'd see some motivation to bother, but as it stands, not so much.
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The time and cost would likely never have been recouped, certainly not to enough degree to make it worth doing.
Now, maybe if the SC had sold in manual in larger #s, or even if the slower ISes had done so, they'd see some motivation to bother, but as it stands, not so much.
Now, maybe if the SC had sold in manual in larger #s, or even if the slower ISes had done so, they'd see some motivation to bother, but as it stands, not so much.
This is the biggest holdback on the 250 manual as well...you guys realize its basically the same transmission as a Corolla, right?
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It's difficult to find almost any model of car with a manual transmission. The modern dual clutch automatics make them obsolete, but I just can't get past the converter-fed slushboxes. The 350 is not a "beast" on power. Cars exist out there with over 1000 horsepower and a manual. Automatics are more fragile than manuals, but you won't see a manual on the 350 because Toyota doesn't want to invest the money into retooling to appease 2% of the market. It's all about the profit.
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when we were talking he seemed so passionate about the products (when he really didn't know much about them) lol i honestly didnt want to hurt his feelings, plus he was a fellow korean and he was a bit older than i so there is a bit of a respect issue, but he kinda got me there!
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