What voids the warrenty
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What voids the warrenty
hey guys, im sorta new to the forum but i love what i see.
all these nice mods and kits.
i was just wondering what i can do to my car(is350 07)
without voiding the warranty.
and is it a separate with the engine and electronic stuff?
thanks guys
-Alex.
all these nice mods and kits.
i was just wondering what i can do to my car(is350 07)
without voiding the warranty.
and is it a separate with the engine and electronic stuff?
thanks guys
-Alex.
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basically everything is divided into categories.. if you mod your engine then you basically void anything related to your engine.. if you mod your stereo then the warranty on your stereo is gone.. Technically, the dealership has to prove that the modification you did is the cause of the problem so if they can't prove it then they should replace or fix the problem. But on the other hand, if they say that your modification IS the reason why something went bad, then YOU have to prove to them that it isn't your fault.
basically wait a little while before you mod something big and if you do, keep in mind that it could cost YOU big bucks...
I had my car for only 5 months and i only reded out my tail lights and put in a sub and amp. If the stereo doesn't work then it would just give me another reason to buy an aftermarket Navi dvd player and if the taillights dont work (for some reason) then ill just wait and buy the IS-F tails....
basically wait a little while before you mod something big and if you do, keep in mind that it could cost YOU big bucks...
I had my car for only 5 months and i only reded out my tail lights and put in a sub and amp. If the stereo doesn't work then it would just give me another reason to buy an aftermarket Navi dvd player and if the taillights dont work (for some reason) then ill just wait and buy the IS-F tails....
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From: NY
awesome, i appreciate that.
i feel the same way with the mods. i want to put in some car-puter system but i was just afraid that is i touch anything it would void the warranty.
so if i install a crazy sound system and tint the lights and even replace a bunch of physical things in the car, and come along down the line my tranny fails.
the warranty will still cover it, as long as i don't put on an after market exhaust or intake?
because after seeing all of the mods with pics. i so badly want to have some more perks to driving the IS. i don't want to end up rewiring my rearview camera to work while driving and the engine breaks on me and the dealer then tells me i voided the warranty
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i feel the same way with the mods. i want to put in some car-puter system but i was just afraid that is i touch anything it would void the warranty.
so if i install a crazy sound system and tint the lights and even replace a bunch of physical things in the car, and come along down the line my tranny fails.
the warranty will still cover it, as long as i don't put on an after market exhaust or intake?
because after seeing all of the mods with pics. i so badly want to have some more perks to driving the IS. i don't want to end up rewiring my rearview camera to work while driving and the engine breaks on me and the dealer then tells me i voided the warranty
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basically everything is divided into categories.. if you mod your engine then you basically void anything related to your engine.. if you mod your stereo then the warranty on your stereo is gone.. Technically, the dealership has to prove that the modification you did is the cause of the problem so if they can't prove it then they should replace or fix the problem. But on the other hand, if they say that your modification IS the reason why something went bad, then YOU have to prove to them that it isn't your fault.
basically wait a little while before you mod something big and if you do, keep in mind that it could cost YOU big bucks...
I had my car for only 5 months and i only reded out my tail lights and put in a sub and amp. If the stereo doesn't work then it would just give me another reason to buy an aftermarket Navi dvd player and if the taillights dont work (for some reason) then ill just wait and buy the IS-F tails....
basically wait a little while before you mod something big and if you do, keep in mind that it could cost YOU big bucks...
I had my car for only 5 months and i only reded out my tail lights and put in a sub and amp. If the stereo doesn't work then it would just give me another reason to buy an aftermarket Navi dvd player and if the taillights dont work (for some reason) then ill just wait and buy the IS-F tails....
wrong. wrong. wrong.
read your warranty and then tell me where it says "if you mod your engine then you basically void anything related to your engine.. if you mod your stereo then the warranty on your stereo is gone.. " more internet nonsense.
read your warranty and then tell me where it says "you have to prove..." or "the dealership has to prove...." you are just repeating what you've heard over and over and now you simply believe it...none of it has ever really actually happened to you or anyone you know, has it? lol
every sentence is your opinion except the last paragraph which is your own personal experience. the op is looking for facts.
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This is the Law!
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
The OEM will also have to pay for all legal expenses if they do not have proof. No OEM is going to court if they will have to pay all the expenses. On the other hand, if they have proof you will pay dearly.
Koz
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
The OEM will also have to pay for all legal expenses if they do not have proof. No OEM is going to court if they will have to pay all the expenses. On the other hand, if they have proof you will pay dearly.
Koz
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This is the Law!
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
The OEM will also have to pay for all legal expenses if they do not have proof. No OEM is going to court if they will have to pay all the expenses. On the other hand, if they have proof you will pay dearly.
Koz
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
The OEM will also have to pay for all legal expenses if they do not have proof. No OEM is going to court if they will have to pay all the expenses. On the other hand, if they have proof you will pay dearly.
Koz
Please show me where in the act it says that the burden of proof is on the manufacturer, and also show me where it says that legal costs have to be paid by them.
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Most car dealerships will do whatever it takes to weasel out of a warranty claim.
Warranty claim costs the dealership time and money. They have to perform the service then bill the manufacture for reimbursement.
From my personal experience, Dealerships will claim that your aftermarket part/modification voided the warranty just to be a weasel until you challenge them! Tell them to prove it and in the event the failure was a result of your modification, you will pay for the diagnostic/trouble shooting fees!
Don't do this unless you are confident that your modifications did not result the problem, otherwise, you will be kicking yourself in the ***... or be smart and remove all mods when submitting your initial claim.
Warranty claim costs the dealership time and money. They have to perform the service then bill the manufacture for reimbursement.
From my personal experience, Dealerships will claim that your aftermarket part/modification voided the warranty just to be a weasel until you challenge them! Tell them to prove it and in the event the failure was a result of your modification, you will pay for the diagnostic/trouble shooting fees!
Don't do this unless you are confident that your modifications did not result the problem, otherwise, you will be kicking yourself in the ***... or be smart and remove all mods when submitting your initial claim.
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Here is the full text of the act: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._15_10_50.html
Please show me where in the act it says that the burden of proof is on the manufacturer, and also show me where it says that legal costs have to be paid by them.
Please show me where in the act it says that the burden of proof is on the manufacturer, and also show me where it says that legal costs have to be paid by them.
For burden of proof: Title 15, Chapter 50, Sec 2302-c, Which states - c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer’s using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if—
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.
For paid legal costs: Sec 2310 d,2 Which states - (2) If a consumer finally prevails in any action brought under paragraph (1) of this subsection, he may be allowed by the court to recover as part of the judgment a sum equal to the aggregate amount of cost and expenses (including attorneys’ fees based on actual time expended) determined by the court to have been reasonably incurred by the plaintiff for or in connection with the commencement and prosecution of such action, unless the court in its discretion shall determine that such an award of attorneys’ fees would be inappropriate.
Koz
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If you want the legal terms;
For burden of proof: Title 15, Chapter 50, Sec 2302-c, Which states - c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer’s using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if—
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.
For paid legal costs: Sec 2310 d,2 Which states - (2) If a consumer finally prevails in any action brought under paragraph (1) of this subsection, he may be allowed by the court to recover as part of the judgment a sum equal to the aggregate amount of cost and expenses (including attorneys’ fees based on actual time expended) determined by the court to have been reasonably incurred by the plaintiff for or in connection with the commencement and prosecution of such action, unless the court in its discretion shall determine that such an award of attorneys’ fees would be inappropriate.
Koz
For burden of proof: Title 15, Chapter 50, Sec 2302-c, Which states - c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer’s using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if—
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.
For paid legal costs: Sec 2310 d,2 Which states - (2) If a consumer finally prevails in any action brought under paragraph (1) of this subsection, he may be allowed by the court to recover as part of the judgment a sum equal to the aggregate amount of cost and expenses (including attorneys’ fees based on actual time expended) determined by the court to have been reasonably incurred by the plaintiff for or in connection with the commencement and prosecution of such action, unless the court in its discretion shall determine that such an award of attorneys’ fees would be inappropriate.
Koz
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