I was on the freeway the other day, came up behind a shiny new Camry.

It looked verryy nice from the back and side.

Then I got close and saw it was actually an ES350 hahahahahahaha.

Don't laugh, it will smoke you.

And yet I'd never buy an ES.

It may have horsepower on the IS, but that's about it from a performance standpoint. It certainly isn't fun to drive.

I would take the 250 as well. Though the newer ES does look pretty decent

I never would have considered the ES before, but now they're finally making the looks compatible with the other boss Lex models. That would be the type of car I would get if I got the white picket fence, the dog, cat and 2.5 children. Oh yeah, and the hubby.

u know not everything is about speed

When they make the ES rear wheel drive, then I might look at the car. But as is, keep it.

i dont like the new xterior of the ES

i like the old one better, it had a really unique look to it

but of coruse, i like the new interior cuz it always gets better haha

New ES looks pretty good. Never liked the older model and on top of that they stuck in a 270hp engine. Not too shabby if you ask me, but the style is more for when I get a tad older.

So would a bottle rocket.

Speed isn't everything.

The ES will never be rear-drive.

That's what the IS and (to a lesser extent) the GS are for. The ES will remain a reskinned Camry for as long as it's offered in the Lexus lineup. There's a huge profit margin for Toyota by selling what's essentially a Toyota underneath at Lexus price points.