Don't spread misinformation. The TSX is NOWHERE on the IS or Lexus radar. Lexus is not after the budget consumer, i.e 25k luxury cars. Lexus does not sell FWD, I-4 cars. The TSX is in its own market pretty much, it is NOT IS competiton. Lets not forget, its simply a Honda Accord with Acura badges.

The IS is built off the GS platform (a more expensive platform) with a mission to sell 40k cars a year, and really make a dent in the market.

What do u mean if it gets into TL/G35/325 territory it won't sell? R U serious? No one told Acura or Nissan to only sell 1 size engine car. Lexus has offered multiple engine in Europe, it is now doing the same here in America, ala BMW.


With both cars you get top notch customer service, quality, luxury and performance to boot. Its just a matter do you like speed(IS 250), TONS of speed (IS 350) or AWD (IS 250 awd).

 

Wow, spread misinformation? Perhaps you need to read this thread?

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=181417

I urge you to read the forth paragraph very carefully. The one about taking subjective data and making it a statement of fact.

The TSX will be a competitor of the IS250 purely by virture of their respective prices, regardless of whether or not that's the market Lexus is going for - they will both be $30-$34k luxury brand sedans.

It sounds like you're unwilling to accept any criticism of the IS's, so let me say this in a way that will be very clear. If the IS250 is priced the same as TL's, G35's, and 325is, it is unlikely they will sell nearly as many as they want to. Luckily for Lexus it's highly unlikely they would make such a monumental blunder. When people compare cars they don't say "Well, the 325i is just a 330i with a smaller engine", they know what they can afford then they compare cars in that range. People who can afford IS350's are going to be comparing them to 330i's, people who can afford IS250's are going to be comparing them to cars in a similar price range. If that's TSX's then Lexus should compare favorably. If it's TLs, 325is, and G35's...not so much. This is all speculation based on the OPs mention of trading a TL worth $35.5 for an IS250, and wondering if the IS250 would cost more. Unfortunately we don't have that information, but all I said was that if the IS250 *does* cost more then 35k, Lexus has (in my opinion!) made a huge mistake.

I never said you didn't get "top notch customer service, quality, luxury and performance to boot", so I'm not sure what you're going for here. I've been the owner of a Lexus before, I am perfectly aware of their build quality and customer service. Oh, and "speed (IS250)? " come on man, it does 16 second quarter miles. It may be a very refined car with a great ride, solid engine, incredible reliabilty, awesome customer service, second to none features...but fast it is not.

Edit - I just re-read this post and I apologize if it comes off as scathing or whatever. I didn't mean to infer that the IS250 was in any way better or worse than a TSX. All I said was that, in my opinion, it would be advantageous for Lexus to price the IS250 in that range (28-33kish), as opposed to 32-36k. I know it's only 4 or 5k here and there, but there are cars that msrp for $35k that will compare very, very favorably to an IS250 just by virtue of their larger and more powerful egines, which would be a bad thing for Lexus.

 

Hmmm, interesting stuff, well looks like we have only 4 days to go before we can drop the cloud of uncertainty as to the price of this TL killer as referred to in the Acura forums. I would be weary of saying that the TL has the wrong drive wheels though, it is simply based on the Accord and to revamp that body to make it rear drive would be a tough call as far as cost benefit analysis.
The TL however sufferes from HORRIBLE build quality, there are rattles, rattles, rattles, dashes fade, people's TLs are delivered to them with one exaust tip much lower than the other and the dealer doesnt know or is unwilling to fix it, there is mismatched colored bumpers on the white TLs, list goes on and on.
The car is crap in that respect.
Oh, and my car has less than 5000 miles on it and the leather drivers seat has more wrinkles in it than a 100 yr old lady's face who never used sunscreen.

 

I am a 17year old high school student. I work my *** off for my car. I have a 04 tl navi. Yes their are some problems witht he car ala dash fade, few dead interior blubs, seat wrinkles. In my cases anyhow. But for the power and options theirs nothing out their that can beat it in every single class. Looks power and options. Yes you can get a faster cheaper car in my opion that looks uglier because its a dodge neon with a big engine lol or a dodge charger or even a wrx not loaded all in my eyes ugly. Anyways i plan on getting a is350 in june hopefully if all goes whell. All i am saying is acura treats me right and never did not fix somethign i told them about. For me at my age i think these problems are minor but can be frustrating i agree. I hopefully will get the lexus and see the difference. But acura cannot be branded as crap they sell those tls like they are giving them away. Its simply a great car for a great price.
P.S. Probaly all speculations but last time i was with the tec at acura he told me they will be coming out with a 350hp displacment sh-awd(as on the rl) in an 07 08 model due too the understeer and complains of the fwd. HOPEFULLY Thanks For Reading

 

Acura CORPORATE sucks, they will obviously not deny your little rattle and blub fixes, but if you try to get a factory defect such as paint mottling or such remedied they will not budge even though they know that it is a factory defect. Its well documented that the 1800 Acura line is all but worthless. For most warranty issues your dealer shoudl eb able to take care of you but if something needs to be approved by Acura for payment, good luck even getting a reponse to your letters!
I would not call the car as a give away, it still costs a pretty penny and it well priced but not a steal, especially since Acura corporate has a one you buy it , its yours mentality.

 

No, your tone is cool. I still still to my guns, I don't even think the TSX is mentioned in Lexus press material, I could be wrong though.

This is the LUXURY class. The majority of people don't care about 0-60 times and 1/4 times. They simply don't. And when it comes to buying a Lexus, its not a priority on many buyers.

I am not saying the TSX is a bad car. Its a very good car. But look
IS-RWD
TSX-FWD
IS-based on MORE EXPENSIVE GS platform
TSX-rebadged Euro Accord
IS-6 cylinder
TSX- I-4

Just looking at the basics, there is no way the IS 250 could cost the same or even slightly higher than the TSX, unless Lexus prices it to penetrate the market and not for profit.

Like BMW is a BMW and Benz is a Benz, Lexus now has the luxury of being a "Lexus". People will buy it, period.

 

OK, I hear that - but theorizing that they price it in the 35k range, how will it compare to other RWD 6cyl luxury sedans? The 325i, A4, CTS, 9-3 and G35 spring to mind - they can be had for under 35k loaded. I understand there are significant differences (namely, the Lexus has the advantage in terms of features), but can it really compare favorably to cars that do 0-60 2+ seconds faster? I know most folks don't care about track times, but you can't tell me that they don't feel the difference in power. Perhaps I'm in the wrong frame of mind, and I need to think more from a mid 50's real-estate brokers perspective. I just can't imagine anyone choosing an IS250 over an 325i/G25 if they're the same price.

 

I can, because the IS is technologically advanced beyond a 3 Series and FAR beyond a G35. Ppl used to be horspower crazy but gas prices has rapidly cooled their buns. I dont know about your area but its all but pointless to get that much power in Georgia because our fat governor decided to call all out war on speeders. Now, you are either caught in Atlanta traffic or contantly being gunned at by GSP and county police.
I really have not had the chance to open up my TL, but good thing I'm not running a gas hoggin CTS-V V8, Id really be pissed.

 

Ya, I think you're right - I'm still thinking in terms of hp/tq rather than technology. I don't think the IS is that far superior in terms of tech, but it certainly has more options and is *much* more refined than other cars in the segment.

Just two things though, to kinf of explain where I'm coming from - first, I don't really open it up either. I am more concerned with low end torque, since you actually use that in the city and on the highway. I drove the IS250, and I am going to say that I think a lot of people will just find it has too little power. The reason I brought up the TSX was the power felt similar, to me. Not bad, but certainly not great - I think it's the lack of torque.

Second, I'm in Toronto, gas is still over a buck a litre here. I did a lot of thinking and figuring about mpg and came to the conclusion that you need to drive *a lot* to see any real benefit from a car with say, a 5mpg advantage. It's there, it's just not worth a price premium yet. So it two cars are the same price, the one with the 5mpg better average is a better call fiscally (in terms of gas), but if it costs $1500-$2000 more, you're probably actually losing money unless you're driving 35, 40, 50k miles a year.

I guess this is why I liked the IS350 so much. Tons of power and the refinment. Now I just wish they'd make a manual.

 

Back to my original question, when can we expect some deals on this car!
Never had to deal with a Lexus dealer but was wondering if they are known to be sticklers about how prestigious Lexus is and unwilling to work a deal even at the end of the month? I hope this is not true!

 

We know that there are people willing to wait to get all the bells and whistles, and still pay full price for it.

I think that most of the new cars that roll out will still sell at sticker price because there will be a handful of people that will look for an affordable IS without all the bells and whistles we've been whining about in the past week. Some people may not want all the power and technology that we're all asking for. Some people know that a bare stock Lexus is still pretty luxurious and accommodating to their needs/wants.

So, when can we expect some deals on this car? Not for a very long while. I expect little haggling with the sedan until next summer, just in time when the new LS is revealed, or perhaps the coupe version.

 

Just because a car is based on a "more expensive" platform, does not neccessarily make it a "better" platform. The GS platform is more expensive than the ES platform (based on a Toypta Camry), but there are many more people out there who prefer to drive and own the ES instead. So, i don't see the correlation between a car being based on a more expensive platform to automatically being the "better" choice or better car.

And what's the problem with the TSX being a rebadged Accord? The ES is a "rebadged" Camry, the LX is a "rebadged" Land Cruiser. so?

 

Continuing on with the discussion for first time Lexus owners, how are they with trade-ins?

Thanks!
Lex

 

If you actually read what I wrote, instead of trying to debate me in every thread, you will see the reason I posted that was to show that the IS being based on a more expensive platform is one of the reasons the IS will be priced higher than a TSX.

There is platform sharing and rebadged. The ES 330 is not a Camry with just a swap of badges. The cars share almost nothing inside and out. On the contrary, the Acura TSX is literally a Euro Accord with badges. Like how a Infiniti G35 is literally a Nissan Skyline with badges. The LX is also a rebadged LandCruiser and does less of a job differentiating from the two.

If your paying 35k for a car, do you want a car based on a cheaper car or a more expensive one? I would put my money in the car based on more expensive technology. Thus I would buy an IS 250 over an ES 330, let alone an IS 350.

Is it better? That is up to the consumer. I told you my choice.

 

As with any dealer, your best bet is to sell the car yourself. The IS will be a hot selling car so its not like they will break their neck to give you top dollar for your trade.