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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 08:17 AM
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Hi, about to move on a 2016 GSF 24k mi , initial offer was 50,900; but I hesitated because not CPO. So Lexus dealer offered to "make the car CPO" for 52,500. Is that even a thing? I thought they either are or aren't cpo, or is it truly up to dealer discretion? Thanks!
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Yes. A Lexus dealer can make a non-CPO Lexus a CPO vehicle, by doing a series of inspections and maybe some part replacements, and then registering the car with Lexus. You are paying for that extra service and the ensuing warranty. But, the car has to be CPO material to start with,

And - WELCOME to the site - Lot's of GREAT information here

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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by flowrider
Yes. A Lexus dealer can make a non-CPO Lexus CPO, by doing a series of inspections and maybe some part replacements, and then registering the car with Lexus. You are paying for that extra service and the ensuing warranty.

And - WELCOME to the site - Lot's of GREAT information here

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Yeah, what he said! I think there is an age/mileage limitation, but a 2016 with 24k miles is nowhere near that. CPO in general can be sketchy at times IMO.---It's not always what is should be, but having the extended warranty is key protection.
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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 10:08 AM
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Thank you guys for the quick reply ! My understanding from the pamphlet they gave me is that they would cover 3yr/100K mi whichever comes first comprehensives warranty .
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L-Certified is 2 years beyond the expiration of the original Lexus warranty, or ending after 6 years from the "in service" date depending on how you want to think about it.

Yes, some dealers like to certify all of their cars to meet a quota set by corporate Lexus and other will not certify anything and try to be the lowest price on the market.

I've looked at over 20 pre-owned GS-F's (even 2 today) and continue to be more frustrated at their poor condition (even certified). Curbed wheels, cracked carbon fiber lips, stained interior, ripped leather, deep scratches, you name it.

Bottom line - ask to see the safety inspection to check for brake wear and tire wear as they will be your most expensive consumables. Ask to see previous service records or register on the Lexus drivers website and punch in the VIN and check the records for yourself as you can find some pretty interesting things that dealers will not tell you.

For example: there is a car for sale at OC Autohaus right now that is exactly what I want - I checked the history and it turns out it was in a minor front end accident cracking the headlights and making them non-operational. The car was passed on from dealer to dealer and auctioned off multiple times as the issue is non-unwarrantable. The dealer tried to fix the headlights but as you can see in the photos posted online - they didn't. Buyer beware!
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IMAGINTHAT,
Would you have link available for "Lexus drivers website" you referenced above, for obtaining vehicle information (when auctioned, accidents reported etc.)?
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IMAGINTHAT,
Would you have link available for "Lexus drivers website" you referenced above, for obtaining vehicle information (when auctioned, accidents reported etc.)?
It won't "show" accidents per se but you can infer them based on the comments. Happy hunting!

https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/
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Originally Posted by IMAGINTHAT
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For example: there is a car for sale at OC Autohaus right now that is exactly what I want - I checked the history and it turns out it was in a minor front end accident cracking the headlights and making them non-operational. The car was passed on from dealer to dealer and auctioned off multiple times as the issue is non-unwarrantable. The dealer tried to fix the headlights but as you can see in the photos posted online - they didn't. Buyer beware!
I had been looking at the same car for weeks now, just out of curiosity. That information is good to know for a prospective buyer. Buyer beware. You should always get an independent inspection. Those triple beams cost about $3,000.00 each. Ask me how I know.

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IMAGINTHAT, thank you for follow up, I appreciate your time and doing so!

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Originally Posted by IMAGINTHAT
Bottom line - ask to see the safety inspection to check for brake wear and tire wear as they will be your most expensive consumables. Ask to see previous service records or register on the Lexus drivers website and punch in the VIN and check the records for yourself as you can find some pretty interesting things that dealers will not tell you.
Even this IMO has to be taken with a grain of salt. Often I don't believe they even do half the inspections, it's just someone putting checks down a column on the inspection sheet, 6 or 7mm for all the brake pads, and some decent treadwears (~7/32") written down for tires. I'm sure it varies, dealer to dealer, mechanic to mechanic, etc. It'd look better if the inspection sheet had some dirt or grease smudges on it!

A private inspection, or self inspection is best if your know what to look for.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Teutonic
Even this IMO had to be taken with a grain of salt. Often I don't believe they even do half the inspections, it's just someone putting checks down a column on the inspection sheet, 6 or 7mm for all the brake pads, and some decent treadwears (~7/32") written down for tires. I'm sure it varies, dealer to dealer, mechanic to mechanic, etc. It'd look better if the inspection sheet had some dirt or grease smudges on it!

A private inspection, or self inspection is best if your know what to look for.
A little more than that. Go to the Lexus Owner's site, and look up your VIN. You'll find a very detailed list of every things a dealer has done to your car. For a CPO Lexus, I'm sure there's a record of all that's been done. And, if the new owner has a problem related to something the dealer "fixed" during the CPO inspections, Lexus will investigate.

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A little more than that. Go to the Lexus Owner's site, and look up your VIN. You'll find a very detailed list of every things a dealer has done to your car. For a CPO Lexus, I'm sure there's a record of all that's been done. And, if the new owner has a problem related to something the dealer "fixed" during the CPO inspections, Lexus will investigate.

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Just to clarify, I meant the CPO inspections, not that things reported on the Lexus Owner site weren't done. Most buyers (non-technical) are never going to confirm or know if the brake pads were at 8mm or 3mm.
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^^^^But the CPO inspections are reported to and recorded by Lexus and show up on the Lexus Owners site. Those inspections cost the dealer money and allow other Lexus dealers, besides the selling dealer, to warranty the vehicle.

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Originally Posted by flowrider
^^^^But the CPO inspections are reported to and recorded by Lexus and show up on the Lexus Owners site. Those inspections cost the dealer money and allow other Lexus dealers, besides the selling dealer, to warranty the vehicle.

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That is the best reason to get the CPO, no matter how the inspection is done, you're under the CPO warranty now!
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