Another article about retiring the GS
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btw they all share the same engine (is, RC, ES, GS, RX plus hybrid version that use a V6) although tuned differently. Although if talking tuned the same then its just the RC, IS, GS, and most likely the crown. the only good news is the new crown uses the same hybrid engine in the new LS
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Agreed, it's not rocket science, the GS is supposed to be the Lexus sporty sedan, so make it sporty and unique from the ES and LS, I think the key would be the powerful tuned engine, besides the GSF and small run of the GS460, they have been around 300hp for 20 years! A mid level GS should at least be around 360hp or an fsport with 400.
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The gs is what shares the same platform as the crown so if they do this they either rename the gs into the is or just kill off the is. Seeing as they were comparing the es to is class cars I’m ok with them doing this as long as they maintain the gs premium quality. Name doesn’t matter as long as the car exists and is great
Traditionally, all three share the same engines and transmissions too.
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I don't post very often but this thread sparked a fire from within.
Lexus has lost its car mojo across most of its' line. They came to market 30 years ago modeling themselves after Buick (sans the reliability). For the most part, little has changed. They've been riding the reputation of reliability/dependability far too long and minimizing their R&D to a trickle (and their reliability isn't what it use to be). There isn't much inspiration in the GS line. The ES demographic remains the Buick demographic (and not that of Audi or Mercedes). The LS rides like the Buick Electra 225 of that era. Its design is also like a Buick Electra 225 - meaning for each era, it looks great but there's nothing that convey's of any mild sportiness to it. With an E or S class, at least there's a bit of life if you want to take the twisties.. It should go head-to-head w/ Mercedes and Audi and they've failed. And its a fair conclusion to make as I live on the westside of Los Angeles and the ratio of Mercedes E or S class is 20:1 to the LS' I see on the road.
Technology: They still don't have Android auto and they blame that on Google. Hmm....Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Infiniti all seem to be able to have Android Auto, but not Lexus. Truth is Lexus (Toyota) doesn't want to pay the licensing fee as they feel they can ride the reputation of reliability and take a distant second position to technology. 2020 models are slowly coming with Android Auto. Reason being Toyota may have seen the writing on the wall that either they step of their game or lose market share.
I've held off for 18 months hoping something new coming from Lexus would inspire me to relegate my '07 GS350 as a second car (as its been great). Not going to happen. Seriously looking at a CT6 or E Class, or might go the SUV route. My GS had $6,700 of work done (HVAC, engine issues & NAV) while I had the extended warranty from 2011-2014 (cost $1,700). That's not very 'reliable'.
Lexus has lost its car mojo across most of its' line. They came to market 30 years ago modeling themselves after Buick (sans the reliability). For the most part, little has changed. They've been riding the reputation of reliability/dependability far too long and minimizing their R&D to a trickle (and their reliability isn't what it use to be). There isn't much inspiration in the GS line. The ES demographic remains the Buick demographic (and not that of Audi or Mercedes). The LS rides like the Buick Electra 225 of that era. Its design is also like a Buick Electra 225 - meaning for each era, it looks great but there's nothing that convey's of any mild sportiness to it. With an E or S class, at least there's a bit of life if you want to take the twisties.. It should go head-to-head w/ Mercedes and Audi and they've failed. And its a fair conclusion to make as I live on the westside of Los Angeles and the ratio of Mercedes E or S class is 20:1 to the LS' I see on the road.
Technology: They still don't have Android auto and they blame that on Google. Hmm....Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Infiniti all seem to be able to have Android Auto, but not Lexus. Truth is Lexus (Toyota) doesn't want to pay the licensing fee as they feel they can ride the reputation of reliability and take a distant second position to technology. 2020 models are slowly coming with Android Auto. Reason being Toyota may have seen the writing on the wall that either they step of their game or lose market share.
I've held off for 18 months hoping something new coming from Lexus would inspire me to relegate my '07 GS350 as a second car (as its been great). Not going to happen. Seriously looking at a CT6 or E Class, or might go the SUV route. My GS had $6,700 of work done (HVAC, engine issues & NAV) while I had the extended warranty from 2011-2014 (cost $1,700). That's not very 'reliable'.
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I don't post very often but this thread sparked a fire from within.
Lexus has lost its car mojo across most of its' line. They came to market 30 years ago modeling themselves after Buick (sans the reliability). For the most part, little has changed. They've been riding the reputation of reliability/dependability far too long and minimizing their R&D to a trickle (and their reliability isn't what it use to be). There isn't much inspiration in the GS line. The ES demographic remains the Buick demographic (and not that of Audi or Mercedes). The LS rides like the Buick Electra 225 of that era. Its design is also like a Buick Electra 225 - meaning for each era, it looks great but there's nothing that convey's of any mild sportiness to it. With an E or S class, at least there's a bit of life if you want to take the twisties.. It should go head-to-head w/ Mercedes and Audi and they've failed. And its a fair conclusion to make as I live on the westside of Los Angeles and the ratio of Mercedes E or S class is 20:1 to the LS' I see on the road.
Technology: They still don't have Android auto and they blame that on Google. Hmm....Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Infiniti all seem to be able to have Android Auto, but not Lexus. Truth is Lexus (Toyota) doesn't want to pay the licensing fee as they feel they can ride the reputation of reliability and take a distant second position to technology. 2020 models are slowly coming with Android Auto. Reason being Toyota may have seen the writing on the wall that either they step of their game or lose market share.
I've held off for 18 months hoping something new coming from Lexus would inspire me to relegate my '07 GS350 as a second car (as its been great). Not going to happen. Seriously looking at a CT6 or E Class, or might go the SUV route. My GS had $6,700 of work done (HVAC, engine issues & NAV) while I had the extended warranty from 2011-2014 (cost $1,700). That's not very 'reliable'.
Lexus has lost its car mojo across most of its' line. They came to market 30 years ago modeling themselves after Buick (sans the reliability). For the most part, little has changed. They've been riding the reputation of reliability/dependability far too long and minimizing their R&D to a trickle (and their reliability isn't what it use to be). There isn't much inspiration in the GS line. The ES demographic remains the Buick demographic (and not that of Audi or Mercedes). The LS rides like the Buick Electra 225 of that era. Its design is also like a Buick Electra 225 - meaning for each era, it looks great but there's nothing that convey's of any mild sportiness to it. With an E or S class, at least there's a bit of life if you want to take the twisties.. It should go head-to-head w/ Mercedes and Audi and they've failed. And its a fair conclusion to make as I live on the westside of Los Angeles and the ratio of Mercedes E or S class is 20:1 to the LS' I see on the road.
Technology: They still don't have Android auto and they blame that on Google. Hmm....Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Infiniti all seem to be able to have Android Auto, but not Lexus. Truth is Lexus (Toyota) doesn't want to pay the licensing fee as they feel they can ride the reputation of reliability and take a distant second position to technology. 2020 models are slowly coming with Android Auto. Reason being Toyota may have seen the writing on the wall that either they step of their game or lose market share.
I've held off for 18 months hoping something new coming from Lexus would inspire me to relegate my '07 GS350 as a second car (as its been great). Not going to happen. Seriously looking at a CT6 or E Class, or might go the SUV route. My GS had $6,700 of work done (HVAC, engine issues & NAV) while I had the extended warranty from 2011-2014 (cost $1,700). That's not very 'reliable'.
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I was at a dealership a few days ago sand salesperson said the new 7 series has Android Auto. Should it not, my post still stands. Lexus can no longer rely on their reliability and dependability to attract buyers. Especially as most $60K+ cars are leased and not purchased.
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I was at a dealership a few days ago sand salesperson said the new 7 series has Android Auto. Should it not, my post still stands. Lexus can no longer rely on their reliability and dependability to attract buyers. Especially as most $60K+ cars are leased and not purchased.
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