Notices
GS - 4th Gen (2013-2020) Discussion about the 2013 and up GS models

Forced Induction Options

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 23, 2013 | 12:44 PM
  #1  
terrycs's Avatar
terrycs
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 869
Likes: 6
From: CA
Default Forced Induction Options

I've been doing some searching and was wondering if there were any turbo kits for this motor. It looks like there were a couple of supercharged IS, but they appeared to be custom. Just trying to get a feel for how strong the drive train is and what kind of aftermarket support exists. Sorry, most of my background has been Nissan.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2013 | 08:29 PM
  #2  
N54MPower's Avatar
N54MPower
Lead Lap
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 512
Likes: 1
From: Philadelphia
Smile

If you're looking for turbo kits on a modern Lexus you're looking at the wrong car. Toyota/Lexus doesn't want anyone messing with their cars and more specifically the ECU. They ensure that by encrypting their ECU's in such a way that no one has been able to crack it successfully. The exception to this is Lotus who uses Toyota drivetrains in their cars and Toyota provides them with the codes to allow for tuning on the Exige and Evora. A prime example of this is the IS-F, in the 4 + years that car has been out no one has a tuning solution using the factory ECU. I know this because I had an IS-F as recently as last year and there was nothing.

In short, making a turbo or supercharger kit is relatively easy but without the software to make it run right all you have is an expensive car that is going to run like crap. Part of the reason I bought an IS-F was the fact that I couldn't mess with it 'too much' and part of the reason I bought the GS F Sport. If I wanted to mess with the car past wheels, suspension etc. I would have bought another car.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 05:18 AM
  #3  
Outrage's Avatar
Outrage
Lead Lap
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 723
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania
Default

I suspect the real reason no one makes an ECU tuner is a lack of demand. The V6 engine in the GS has been used in the Avalon, Camry, Highlander, ES, RX, etc. These are hardly the sorts of vehicle enthusiasts typically purchase.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 06:59 AM
  #4  
natnut's Avatar
natnut
Pole Position
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 89
From: Singapore
Default

They are different engines.

The V6 in the GS ( 2GR-FSE)has the dual injection (port+direct injection) while the others are traditional port injection only. Dual injection gives greater fuel efficiency at low loads while greater power at high loads.

There are superchargers made for the 2GR-FSE but they are Japan-only. Total hp made by the supercharged V6 is about 355hp :

http://toyota.jp/customize/markx/sup...ger/spec2.html
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 07:35 AM
  #5  
ronfsp's Avatar
ronfsp
Driver
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 189
Likes: 12
From: Singapore
Default

Originally Posted by natnut
They are different engines.

The V6 in the GS ( 2GR-FSE)has the dual injection (port+direct injection) while the others are traditional port injection only. Dual injection gives greater fuel efficiency at low loads while greater power at high loads.

There are superchargers made for the 2GR-FSE but they are Japan-only. Total hp made by the supercharged V6 is about 355hp :

http://toyota.jp/customize/markx/sup...ger/spec2.html
Are 4GR-FSE dual injection also? 4GR-FSE is used on the GS250
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 08:10 AM
  #6  
Outrage's Avatar
Outrage
Lead Lap
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 723
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania
Default

Originally Posted by natnut
They are different engines.

The V6 in the GS ( 2GR-FSE)has the dual injection (port+direct injection) while the others are traditional port injection only. Dual injection gives greater fuel efficiency at low loads while greater power at high loads.

There are superchargers made for the 2GR-FSE but they are Japan-only. Total hp made by the supercharged V6 is about 355hp :

http://toyota.jp/customize/markx/sup...ger/spec2.html
The ECU software, per manufacturer, is often times shared between engine lines. For example, I own a HPTuners PCM (VCM) tuner for GM vehicles. That tuner is able to be used on multiple GM vehicles as the code within the PCM is similar. I owned a vehicle with an L67 (3.8 liter V6 supercharged), but the tuner works fine on a wide variety of GM engines such as the L36, LS1, etc.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 08:47 AM
  #7  
natnut's Avatar
natnut
Pole Position
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 89
From: Singapore
Default

Originally Posted by ronfsp
Are 4GR-FSE dual injection also? 4GR-FSE is used on the GS250
4GR-FSE is direct injection only :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 08:48 AM
  #8  
stick22's Avatar
stick22
Driver
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area, CA
Default

Originally Posted by natnut
They are different engines.

The V6 in the GS ( 2GR-FSE)has the dual injection (port+direct injection) while the others are traditional port injection only. Dual injection gives greater fuel efficiency at low loads while greater power at high loads.

There are superchargers made for the 2GR-FSE but they are Japan-only. Total hp made by the supercharged V6 is about 355hp :

http://toyota.jp/customize/markx/sup...ger/spec2.html
going from 306 to 355 doesn't seem worth the hassle right now. i was hoping/dreaming for something closer to 400 hp
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 12:01 PM
  #9  
terrycs's Avatar
terrycs
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 869
Likes: 6
From: CA
Default

I don't think any manufacturer "allows" tuners to get at the ECU easily. But that doesn't mean that it can't be done using a piggy back such as HKS F-Con iS. It's actually the preffered option over a full stand alone since you wouldn't lose factory ECU features. Cracking the factory ECU to manage a boosted motor is a different story. If the demand is great enough, it can happen.

Originally Posted by N54MPower
If you're looking for turbo kits on a modern Lexus you're looking at the wrong car. Toyota/Lexus doesn't want anyone messing with their cars and more specifically the ECU. They ensure that by encrypting their ECU's in such a way that no one has been able to crack it successfully. The exception to this is Lotus who uses Toyota drivetrains in their cars and Toyota provides them with the codes to allow for tuning on the Exige and Evora. A prime example of this is the IS-F, in the 4 + years that car has been out no one has a tuning solution using the factory ECU. I know this because I had an IS-F as recently as last year and there was nothing.

In short, making a turbo or supercharger kit is relatively easy but without the software to make it run right all you have is an expensive car that is going to run like crap. Part of the reason I bought an IS-F was the fact that I couldn't mess with it 'too much' and part of the reason I bought the GS F Sport. If I wanted to mess with the car past wheels, suspension etc. I would have bought another car.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 12:11 PM
  #10  
terrycs's Avatar
terrycs
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 869
Likes: 6
From: CA
Default

You're right, 355 isn't worth the trouble. But I'm sure the 355 WHp is using a conservative tune to minimize premature engine failure. Does anybody know how much the 2GR-FSE can actually handle tho by using it maybe for race applications? A stock block Nissan 6 cyliner VQ motor (as used in the upcoming 2014 Infiniti Q50 sedan) can easily handle over 450 WHp for street use.

Originally Posted by stick22
going from 306 to 355 doesn't seem worth the hassle right now. i was hoping/dreaming for something closer to 400 hp
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 12:23 PM
  #11  
Outrage's Avatar
Outrage
Lead Lap
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 723
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania
Default

Don't forget another potential weak point, the transmission.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 12:28 PM
  #12  
terrycs's Avatar
terrycs
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 869
Likes: 6
From: CA
Default

Very good point. How much can the Lexus unit take? I wonder is a shift kit is also available for it.

Originally Posted by Outrage
Don't forget another potential weak point, the transmission.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2013 | 12:58 PM
  #13  
DoriSaru15's Avatar
DoriSaru15
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 449
Likes: 0
From: CA
Default

You will be spending too much money for little gain. Might as well do a 2j or 1j swap. Good Luck
Reply
Old Jan 25, 2013 | 11:54 AM
  #14  
m34door's Avatar
m34door
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: NY
Default

Originally Posted by N54MPower
If you're looking for turbo kits on a modern Lexus you're looking at the wrong car. Toyota/Lexus doesn't want anyone messing with their cars and more specifically the ECU. They ensure that by encrypting their ECU's in such a way that no one has been able to crack it successfully. The exception to this is Lotus who uses Toyota drivetrains in their cars and Toyota provides them with the codes to allow for tuning on the Exige and Evora. A prime example of this is the IS-F, in the 4 + years that car has been out no one has a tuning solution using the factory ECU. I know this because I had an IS-F as recently as last year and there was nothing.

In short, making a turbo or supercharger kit is relatively easy but without the software to make it run right all you have is an expensive car that is going to run like crap. Part of the reason I bought an IS-F was the fact that I couldn't mess with it 'too much' and part of the reason I bought the GS F Sport. If I wanted to mess with the car past wheels, suspension etc. I would have bought another car.
Very interesting was not aware of this. Thanks for info
Reply
Old Jan 25, 2013 | 02:18 PM
  #15  
jjbenzo's Avatar
jjbenzo
Advanced
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 614
Likes: 7
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by DoriSaru15
You will be spending too much money for little gain. Might as well do a 2j or 1j swap. Good Luck
Why would anyone put a 20+ year old designed engine into a 2013 MY Lexus?
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:46 PM.