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Old 07-23-08, 10:03 PM
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My rear tires have uneven tire wear due to the negative camber and cupping. However, the outer width of the rear tires are fine and the front tires are good all around.

What are all of your thoughts on dis-mounting the rear tires and swapping from left to right and vice versa? They don't make Dunlop SP Sport 9000 tires in my size anymore and I would hate to waste 2 good sets of tires (fronts).
Old 07-23-08, 11:02 PM
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So long as there is decent tread on the sides that are worn more, I think it is a good idea. You cant go front to back anyways due to your staggered setup. Unless the camber is addressed, you will have this issue forever so your idea is good.
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Just unmount and flip them side to side and call it a day. My friends use to do it with their Civics (I had perfect camber b/c I got a kit to correct it) and it was fine. Just make sure you don't see belt.
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Originally Posted by EyeKutr
So long as there is decent tread on the sides that are worn more, I think it is a good idea. You cant go front to back anyways due to your staggered setup. Unless the camber is addressed, you will have this issue forever so your idea is good.
I think the worn sides are okay. The cupping is what makes some of the wear areas look worse than others. The tires aren't bald but some parts are flush with the wear marks. If I flip these bad boys I think it'll be all good because the outer half of the rear tires (good tread) is almost like new.

My rear camber is out of factory spec (negative 2.2 degrees). Whereas my front camber is within spec.

When I get the tires flipped I'm going to get the wheels road force balanced and a 4-wheel alignmnet as well.
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Originally Posted by nardeezy
My rear tires have uneven tire wear due to the negative camber and cupping. However, the outer width of the rear tires are fine and the front tires are good all around.

What are all of your thoughts on dis-mounting the rear tires and swapping from left to right and vice versa? They don't make Dunlop SP Sport 9000 tires in my size anymore and I would hate to waste 2 good sets of tires (fronts).
i wouldnt do it..just buy new rear tires..i had some experience with bald tires..
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Originally Posted by wowitztai
i wouldnt do it..just buy new rear tires..i had some experience with bald tires..
The tires aren't bald and Dunlop discontinued the SP Sport 9000 sizes that I need. I would have to buy a new set of 4 tires. Have you flipped your tires before? I'll try to take a digital image of the tires.
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Does everyone who has lowered their GS have camber problems?
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Originally Posted by pkieu915
Does everyone who has lowered their GS have camber problems?
It depends who you ask but I don't see it as a problem. Negative camber is something that's expected from lowering any car, unless there is a camber adjustment (+/-3 degrees). Some autocross drivers actually like negative camber for high speed cornering purposes. Have you ever seen the factory camber on the rear of a BMW X5? It looks like it's negative 2 degrees stock.
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I think we all have the dredded negative camber and uneven tire wear!! it sucks in my opinion!!

and about the dismounting and reinstalling of tires......i went down to a couple local tire shops and asked about that. they said they wouldnt remount the halfway bald tires. they gave me some stupid reason why. im sure it was a liability thing.
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I have tein h techs and the car has 9000 miles of the falken fk 452 and I am currently showing no sign of any inner tire wear, and I live in AZ where the road surface temps get pretty high. The difference between the h techs and the nf210 is extremely mild. I think you are having more issues than you should be. I am getting tein cs coilovers and I am only going to drop it 1 inch to maybe an inch and a half to maintain that reasonable tire wear. I have only dropped the front of my car .85 inches with the current h techs and I feel like its damn near perfect after its settled. The rear is only dropped .6 inches. Thats not enough so I am going to do tein cs to have the height adjustability, better drop, but the ability to reverse the camber issue more readily. Have you thought about changing springs to somehting more mild? A set of springs and install will cost you less than 1 set of tires. honestly I think the tein H techs are great for a full luxury spring. cant beat them for ride quality and stroke, obviously for camber as well. The only thing is like all springs they will settle more on the left than the right bec of the drivers weight. I would go with the alignment by the dealership ( so they can do it right, and chack the rest of the suspension), then if needed switch springs. Your set up isnt super aggressive you shouldnt be changing tires every 6 months unless you drive crazy mileage

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if u aint wearing tires, ur not low enough to really go out of factory specs. THUS, no real wear. I took my car to a specialist to make everything wear nice and evenly and so far it looks like its wearing straight across.
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
I have tein h techs and the car has 9000 miles of the falken fk 452 and I am currently showing no sign of any inner tire wear, and I live in AZ where the road surface temps get pretty high. The difference between the h techs and the nf210 is extremely mild. I think you are having more issues than you should be. I am getting tein cs coilovers and I am only going to drop it 1 inch to maybe an inch and a half to maintain that reasonable tire wear. I have only dropped the front of my car .85 inches with the current h techs and I feel like its damn near perfect after its settled. The rear is only dropped .6 inches. Thats not enough so I am going to do tein cs to have the height adjustability, better drop, but the ability to reverse the camber issue more readily. Have you thought about changing springs to somehting more mild? A set of springs and install will cost you less than 1 set of tires. honestly I think the tein H techs are great for a full luxury spring. cant beat them for ride quality and stroke, obviously for camber as well. The only thing is like all springs they will settle more on the left than the right bec of the drivers weight. I would go with the alignment by the dealership ( so they can do it right, and chack the rest of the suspension), then if needed switch springs. Your set up isnt super aggressive you shouldnt be changing tires every 6 months unless you drive crazy mileage
Actually, I have about 8000 miles on the tires over the course of 2.5 years. One difference is that I have the AWD, but that shouldn't make the tire wear any worse. I'm thinking it's the toe? You're probably right, there's probably something else going on because my front tires look great? I'm going to a very good and reputable wheel/tire and alignment shop on Monday. Hopefully we can find the root cause.
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