So the GS350 will arrive next year
03-10-05, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Well with the IS being so fast (possibly), I hope they get the handling as right as the current one. Now correct me if I'm wrong (Flip) but didn't Toyota have the 3.3 in the Camry when they debuted the ES 300? The RX became 330 and then the ES finally got the engine? Is this correct? If it is, then Lexus has kind of done this before. It was the first time the ES got a significant bump in power during its product refreshning. The 94/95 ES got a bump from 185hp to 188hp as they went alumiunum and lost the old iron block.
Besides peak power, I hope the gearing is aggresive and there is low torque available. And I hope it sounds good, gotta give it to Nissan, they really know how to tune that 3.5 to give it a nice stock sound in the 350Z/FX/G35.
Besides peak power, I hope the gearing is aggresive and there is low torque available. And I hope it sounds good, gotta give it to Nissan, they really know how to tune that 3.5 to give it a nice stock sound in the 350Z/FX/G35.
i dont think toyota had 3.3 in camry when they debuted ES300. ES and Camry got the 3.3 V6 about the same time after the debute of RX330, i think.
03-10-05, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Well with the IS being so fast (possibly), I hope they get the handling as right as the current one. Now correct me if I'm wrong (Flip) but didn't Toyota have the 3.3 in the Camry when they debuted the ES 300? The RX became 330 and then the ES finally got the engine? Is this correct? If it is, then Lexus has kind of done this before. It was the first time the ES got a significant bump in power during its product refreshning. The 94/95 ES got a bump from 185hp to 188hp as they went alumiunum and lost the old iron block.
The 1st gen RX300 (MCU30)from 98-03 had the 1MZ-FE 3.0L V6 for it's duration. The RX330 is the second generation RX w/the 3MZ-FE 3.3L V6 (MCU33). The ES got the 3.3L 3MZ-FE V6 at the same time the Camry SE V6 model did in 2004.
The 94 ES got a bump to 188hp because the Gen 3 92-93 Camry and Gen 2 ES VCV10 had the 3VZ-FE V6 3.0L 185hp V6 Cast Iron Block. In it's 3rd year production of the Camry/ES (94-96), Toyota switched to the at that time new 1MZ-FE V6 3.0L 188HP Aluminum Block that was the first OBDII compliant engine in the world. No Manual option was available for the duration.
So to recap:
92-96 Camry/ES:
92) 3VZ-FE - all new VCV10
93) 3VZ-FE - unchanged
94) 1MZ-FE - new engine/tranny changeover MCV10
95) 1MZ-FE w/exterior update
96) 1MZ-FE unchanged
02-06 Camry/ES
02) 1MZ-FE - all new MCV30
03) 1MZ-FE - unchanged
04) 3MZ-FE - new engine/tranny changeover MCV31 (3.3L V6 upgrade for Camry SE, ES330)
05) 3MZ-FE w/exterior update
05) 3MZ-FE unchanged
2007-2011 Camry/ES - New Chassis/New Engine (GR series)
1998-2003 RX300 - Same engine all 5 years
2004-2008 RX330 - Same engine. Per Elizabeth's notes, 2007 is when the RX350 comes out. That doesn't fall w/in the tradition unless they extend the chassis/generation 1 extra year to year number 4 for the RX.
The new GS will be getting a 3.5L V6 as the GS350 in 2nd production year (2007) as well as the GS450h. Not the regular Toyota/Lexus tradition for adding engine changeovers in that part of the year.
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03-10-05, 09:38 AM
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In the next 3 years, Lexus will be doing many firsts. And after seeing the focus, and all the hard work that went into the new IS design, as well as the new GS, I can confidently say these firsts are a good thing. Imagine Lexus sales 3 years from now 
03-10-05, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by flipside909
The the MCV30/31 current Gen 5 Camry started in 2002 w/the 1MZ-FE 3.0L V6. For 2004, the SE model gained the 3MZ-FE 3.3L V6, while the regular LE and XLE models keep the 3.0L 1MZ-FE.
The 1st gen RX300 (MCU30)from 98-03 had the 1MZ-FE 3.0L V6 for it's duration. The RX330 is the second generation RX w/the 3MZ-FE 3.3L V6 (MCU33). The ES got the 3.3L 3MZ-FE V6 at the same time the Camry SE V6 model did in 2004.
The 94 ES got a bump to 188hp because the Gen 3 92-93 Camry and Gen 2 ES VCV10 had the 3VZ-FE V6 3.0L 185hp V6 Cast Iron Block. In it's 3rd year production of the Camry/ES (94-96), Toyota switched to the at that time new 1MZ-FE V6 3.0L 188HP Aluminum Block that was the first OBDII compliant engine in the world. No Manual option was available for the duration.
So to recap:
92-96 Camry/ES:
92) 3VZ-FE - all new VCV10
93) 3VZ-FE - unchanged
94) 1MZ-FE - new engine/tranny changeover MCV10
95) 1MZ-FE w/exterior update
96) 1MZ-FE unchanged
02-06 Camry/ES
02) 1MZ-FE - all new MCV30
03) 1MZ-FE - unchanged
04) 3MZ-FE - new engine/tranny changeover MCV31 (3.3L V6 upgrade for Camry SE, ES330)
05) 3MZ-FE w/exterior update
05) 3MZ-FE unchanged
2007-2011 Camry/ES - New Chassis/New Engine (GR series)
1998-2003 RX300 - Same engine all 5 years
2004-2008 RX330 - Same engine. Per Elizabeth's notes, 2007 is when the RX350 comes out. That doesn't fall w/in the tradition unless they extend the chassis/generation 1 extra year to year number 4 for the RX.
The new GS will be getting a 3.5L V6 as the GS350 in 2nd production year (2007) as well as the GS450h. Not the regular Toyota/Lexus tradition for adding engine changeovers in that part of the year.
The 1st gen RX300 (MCU30)from 98-03 had the 1MZ-FE 3.0L V6 for it's duration. The RX330 is the second generation RX w/the 3MZ-FE 3.3L V6 (MCU33). The ES got the 3.3L 3MZ-FE V6 at the same time the Camry SE V6 model did in 2004.
The 94 ES got a bump to 188hp because the Gen 3 92-93 Camry and Gen 2 ES VCV10 had the 3VZ-FE V6 3.0L 185hp V6 Cast Iron Block. In it's 3rd year production of the Camry/ES (94-96), Toyota switched to the at that time new 1MZ-FE V6 3.0L 188HP Aluminum Block that was the first OBDII compliant engine in the world. No Manual option was available for the duration.
So to recap:
92-96 Camry/ES:
92) 3VZ-FE - all new VCV10
93) 3VZ-FE - unchanged
94) 1MZ-FE - new engine/tranny changeover MCV10
95) 1MZ-FE w/exterior update
96) 1MZ-FE unchanged
02-06 Camry/ES
02) 1MZ-FE - all new MCV30
03) 1MZ-FE - unchanged
04) 3MZ-FE - new engine/tranny changeover MCV31 (3.3L V6 upgrade for Camry SE, ES330)
05) 3MZ-FE w/exterior update
05) 3MZ-FE unchanged
2007-2011 Camry/ES - New Chassis/New Engine (GR series)
1998-2003 RX300 - Same engine all 5 years
2004-2008 RX330 - Same engine. Per Elizabeth's notes, 2007 is when the RX350 comes out. That doesn't fall w/in the tradition unless they extend the chassis/generation 1 extra year to year number 4 for the RX.
The new GS will be getting a 3.5L V6 as the GS350 in 2nd production year (2007) as well as the GS450h. Not the regular Toyota/Lexus tradition for adding engine changeovers in that part of the year.
Damn bro, thanks for the FACTS. Now that is what I'm talking about and thanks for clearing that up.
03-10-05, 09:40 AM
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Facts are the best! I don't like to gain or share information through exaggerated rumors. 
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