Tiny,

is it possible to have the wheels test fit before you actually put tyres on?

SSR is very good quality co.. i will take a look at the wheels you like later on.

will

 

Thanks again for all the info Will, please respond when you get a chance.....MANARAY? If you read this and can find it in your kind heart to please overlook the fact that Im considering a 20" cast 1 piece wheel that weighs 32 lbs. w/out tires, I would really appreciate your feedback as well. The only offsets available will be +40 on 8" fronts and +35 on 9" rears. This totally throws me, because I currently have +35 8" fronts and +45 9" rears. WILL THE DIFFERENCE BE VISIBLE? Again, my concern with the offset in the front is clearing the "soon to be" SupraTT caliper. By looking at my SSR's, the +35 should have no trouble w/the Supra caliper. Does the +40 measurement mean I will be sacrificing 5mm on the caliper clearance(granted the rim style is the same)
Also, what is your opinion of the +35 rear offset?????? That is not a rear offset that I have seen anyone on this board suggesting or using......
Thanks in advance, Tiny

 

Tiny - Sorry for not responding...I haven't been reading this thread! As far as the offset goes, +40 on front should be OK since it's only a 8" wide rim. On the Back, +35 might sit "in" a little too much. I have a +38 with a 9.5" rim in the back and it sits RIGHT on the edge w/o rubbing (ah, the advantages of custom wheels )

Compared to your current setup, your front wheel will stick out more and the rear will be in more...dunno if that's the look I'd want!

Those wheels are actually look like the Mak wheels (see below) that's been out for a while now (but not in 20") and the Mak is essentially a knock-off of the RH C5. Take a look at the picture below. Like the MAK's, they have that fake 3-piece look. Hmmm, a knock-off of a knock-off...not good.

Tiny, if I were you, I would seriously reconsider buying these wheels. To me, it seems like you're desperate to get some 20's on your car and you're just looking for the "cheapest" way into the "Domain of the Dubs" Know what I mean? Don't do it this way!

If you have a stock set of wheels, why not sell your SSR's, take that money plus the money you have saved up for the Supra brakes and the money you have saved up for the "Binno's"..with all that, you should be able to buy a NICE set of 20's... The Brakes aren't going anywhere...you can save up another $600 down the line...

 

The lower the offset the more the wheel will stick out. Correction: +35 might sit "out" a little too much.

 

tiny,

ya, do not go from SSR to the binnos. though you only have 18s, but they are SSRs. plus, the rear offset is not even ideal for the car. save your $$$ for some other brands. just my opinion.

will

 

Miguel, that is what I thought also. At least from what I have gathered on this forum, the smaller the offset to the + side the more it will stick out. Manaray, This is correct right? I think what you wrote previously is opposite of what you meant? That being said, with a 9" rear, +35 offset on a 275 tire should be fine right? I currently have a +45 rear on a 9 inch rim and to be honest the wheel looks too far "in" IMO.
Also, that would mean that my current +35 front will move "in" another 5mm, and my +45 rear will now stick out another 10mm. Correct? Anyone? Tiny

 

See, this is what happens when you don't follow a standard sleep schedule...sorry, I did type the inverse of what I ment...(I also did a post where I said to look at a photo that I never attached...doh!)

Let me try this again now that I'm actually AWAKE.

Ok, on the front, going from a 8" wide wheel with a +35 offset to a 8" wide wheel with a +40 offset will set the wheel more INTO the center of the car by 5mm (so 5mm in from the fender lip/edge and 5mm closer to your shock. You should be OK with that.

For the back, you're going from a 9" wide wheel with a +45 offset to a 9" wide wheel with a +35 offset. This will set your wheel FARTHER away from the center of the car. It'll be 10mm farther from your shock, and 10mm closer to your fender lip/edge.

Compared to my setup (9.5" wide with a +38 offset), you'll be 9mm furthur from your shock and it'll sit IN (towards the center of the car) 3mm more than my rim. So you should be fine with those offsets...

I still don't recommend getting the Binnos!

And I wouldn't go larger than a 265 on a 9" wide rim...otherwise, it's going to start looking like a donut. 255 will give you a "straight" profile on the sidewall...265 will donut a little, 275 will be obvious...

I recommend a 9.5" wide rim for MOST 275 width tires...(read the next couple posts for an explaination on why I say MOST)

 

Manaray, you have made ALL of this alot easier and clearer in reaffirming what I have learned thus far...Thanks alot.
A 9.5" rim is roughly 12mm wider than a 9" correct?(6mm on the inner edge and 6mm on the outer for this example) If I use a +35 9" and you currently use a +38 9.5", then my being 3mm more "in" from the lip or fender makes sense. But, you also mentioned that I would be 9mm closer to the shock (or inside) than you.

If your rim offset is starting 3mm more(+38 vs. +35) towards the shock than me, and, your rim is 6mm wider than mine on the inside edge (9" vs. 9.5"), doesnt that translate to YOUR wheel being 9mm closer to the shock(or inside)
I know its late(5:00 a.m here) but you have helped me make sense of this thus far and Im just making sure that I have a grasp of it...Tiny

About the tires...Youre right, but I think it depends on the tire. I talked to both tire rack and Discount and they both said that 275 width will fit fine on a 9" rim if it is designed to....For instance, I really wanted the Nitto 555 in 245/35/20F and 275/30/20R just as you have. Well, what I was told is that the Nitto is not designed to run on a 9" rim. An example of a 275/35/20 tire that is approved to be run on a 9" rim is a Michelin xgtz4. I dont know if there are any others? I currently use a Bridgestone re730 245/40/18F and 265/35/18R.(re730 not made in 275/35/18) When looking at my car, it is easy to see that the 245 fronts stick out much further on the 8", than the 265 rears do on the 9". The rear looks like a better fit, leading me to believe that if the re730 was available in 275 it would be a model approved to be used on a 9". Both tire rack and Discount basically said that all 275 are NOT alike and that I would need to refer to the fitment chart for the specific 275 that I want to be sure it is approved for a 9" rim. This was the first I had ever heard anything like that. Have you heard that before? Tiny

 

Tire Size - What Tire Rack and Discount Tire told is absolutely correct. Not all 275's are the same and there are 275's that are designed to fit on a 9". HOWEVER, the WIDTH of the tire is still the same on the tread side. So while it'll fit and won't give you any problems, it'll still look like a "donut" (like your 245 on a 8" rim).

I don't really like sidewalls that lean in or out...I like straight sidewalls, but that's just me. If you don't mind your sidewalls bulging a little, then a 275 that's approved for a 9" rim should be fine...but I would still do a 265 instead...

Another point I should bring up (I should have brought up the whole tire/wheel width matching scenario that you mentioned too! Eh, I'm getting old!) is that if you do put a tire on wheel that's not "matched", it can lead to tire failure. EVEN if the tread width of the tire (245, 275, etc.) is usually "correct" for that width of wheel (eg: 275 on a 9.5" wide wheel).

I had a buddy do this on his Accord a few years back. We went to a few sets of tires before we started asking questions (at first, we thought they were faulty tires, then a fault rim, then sabotage, etc..). At the time, we didn't know this little tidbit of info either! Hehehe...I guess we learned the hard way...Tiny, you got off easy!

BTW, if you got to most of the tire manufactures website, they usually have a fit chart...I would recommend checking that out before you buy the tires or wheels or both...


As for the offset, yes, you're right! You're wheel will be 9mm FUTHUR away than mine from the shock not the other way around. Big numbers confuse me. Hehehe, I guess I should have double read that post! (which I usually do...) My previous post has been corrected...

I think you have a FIRM grasp of the whole offset problem now! Glad I could help! Are you still going do the Binnos? Please don't!

Damn it! Would you look at the time again! 6:21AM and I still haven't gone to sleep. This whole unemployment thing is really wreaking havoc on my sleep schedule! Not to mention that most of the time, I don't even know what DAY it is since EVERYDAY is a Saturday for me now!

 

Manaray, can you throw the names of some of the "better" wheel manufacturers my way?
I cannot imagine that I have not looked at ALL of the quality rims out there. You see my reasoning for the Binnos is that they are THE only 20" rims in the style I like. I REALLY like the more simple 5-spoke design, but I prefer the spokes have a bowed profile. It is also crucial to me that they remain timeless. That is presicely why, even though I like rims like the BR5 and the LD1, I know that those styles of rims do not remain timeless. One rim that is growing on me, even though it doesnt fit the profile I described, is the Blitz Z1 in Silver, but once again not available in 20". I also dont like the flat squared off edges of rims like the RH C5 as much as the bowed spokes with rounded edges, but if it was available in 20" currently, I would buy them.... Can you make some suggestions? One thing I forgot to ask that I know you have addressed in the past. Do you have ANY issues with your 20's rubbing?? Tiny

 

Hmmm, Tiny, it looks like you're looking for SUCH a specific wheel, it's going to be hard to find...

If you want a truly "Classic" wheel design that will not got out of style, I would recommend mesh...like the HRE Model 540's ...

Even though it's more of a "straight" 5 spoke, you might like the Equip 508s. Check out the following thread...

https://www.clublexus.com/vb/showthr...threadid=15955

Scroll down to the Equip 508s...and AutoCouture new "Indicator" wheel is in there...both rims are QUALITY rims.

As for as the whole rubbing issue, here's a link to a thread about rubbing (my posts starts about 10 posts down...with the photos)...

https://www.clublexus.com/vb/showthr...threadid=15247

As you can see, I have no fender rubbing issues, just fender "lining" on the front and it's VERY minor...

 

Awesome thread (I almost missed it given the title) on tires/rims/offsets... thanks guys.

One question on offsets - isn't it true that it's not possible to compare offsets from one rim to another because of the rim style differences (dish, spoke, etc.)?

 

Thanks again for all the info and feedback.....I have learned alot from this thred...
I am trying to be more open minded as to what I like...
The first rim I ever wanted on my GS was the RH C5. but at the time I thought it was too expensive.....There is an undeniable compromise to be made because I love wheels with a very DEFINED LIP, but I really like the bowed spokes as well. Those two are rarely found in combo with one another.....
I spoke to Dave at GtAutosports today about a range of possibilities including the "newly" released silver 20" work equip which is a BAD boy!(8.5F w/ 9.5R=$3300)
Even though the C5 only goes to 19"(about $2800), it is looking more and more appealing as well. There is also a Dronnell model- MU($2500) that I have already looked at and that I thought was only available in 21"(too much bling and wouldnt fit anyway). Dave had it listed as also being available in 20" but hes double checking. The Dronnell I really like but I wont know until tomorrow if its available in 20", and the width of the Dronnell is 9"F and 10" rear. If I order any of these rims I can order the fronts with the same offset used on Supra so that I can accomodate the Supra caliper. But, will a 9" front with a +45(HI) offset designation rub inside or outside or both using a 245 tire? Compared to my current 245/40/18F on 8"+35 rim, my front tire would be two inches larger in diameter, the outer edge would be 2mm closer to the fender lip, while the inner edge would be 22mm(almost an inch) closer to the shock. Dave said that 9" front and 10" rear is a common application using 20" rims. I thought the concensus on this board was not to surpass an 8.5"F?? The last plus side to going with any of the three rims mentioned above vs. the Binno that has been "shot down", is that I can stick with the Nitto 555 that I originally wanted. This frees up almost $200 that wont be going to a more expensive tire.... Opinions welcomed, Thanks, Tiny

 

Tiny,

there are members using 18x9 f and 10r with 245/40/18+275/35/18. while it is true that most have 8.5s in the front, i think 9"s would be OK.

you were able to talk to David at GT? that is amazing...most cannot get hold if him. if you are prepare to spend ~$3k for the wheels along, WORK EQUIP would be my 1st recommendation $3300 is for a set of 4 correct? did david say how long it will take for them to arrive? can you also find out the price for 18x8.5+9.5 in silver for me please. thanks

for the specifics on offsets, i think manaray could answer them better.

william

 

Bit - Offsets are "usually" pretty standard (at least from my experience)...unless you're getting a particular setup (like let's say you had a wide body kit on your GS and you wanted a deeper outside lip but wanted to keep the inner lip the same depth).

Tiny - I second Will's recommendation...the Equips are ones! As for the Dronell's, if you use a 245, you shouldn't rub on the fender lip as you'll be IN 2mm compared to my setup (8.5" +37) but you'll have to check the inner lip spacing to your shock as you'll be 14mm CLOSER to the shock. Also, the Dronell M-05 (2 piece forged) would be better than the MU (2 piece CAST).

Dronell confuses me. While they make techincally good wheels, they use knock-off designs (For the most part)...

The reason why I don't recommend going past 8.5" is because a 245 fits on a 8.5" perfectly. On a 9" rim, it's going to be a little "stretched"...

While a 9"/10" maybe a "common" application, the offset might require you to do some "modifications". Most people don't consider rolling your fender outside of "normal" when you get wider tires.

As for C5's, the only thing I don't like about the C5's (when compared to the Equips) is that you see a LOT of Civics and Accords with C5's or C5 knock offs (like the "Concept 5" garbage). The Equips are MUCH more uncommon!

If it were me, I'd go with the Equips and Nitto combo...it'll cost a little more than the other setups but it'll be more exclusive, you get the look you want (essentially), and the you won't need to worry about rubbing...