Uneven Drop...???
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LexAristo
After installing my coilovers with the same threads on the left and right side, I noticed that the passenger side is still higher. To compensate, I just lowered the passenger side a lil more.
I have uneven drop with my new springs too. That's one of the reasons I ordered coilovers...to compensate. Of course I also want a softer ride but adjustability is also a factor.
After installing my coilovers with the same threads on the left and right side, I noticed that the passenger side is still higher. To compensate, I just lowered the passenger side a lil more.
I have uneven drop with my new springs too. That's one of the reasons I ordered coilovers...to compensate. Of course I also want a softer ride but adjustability is also a factor.
Last edited by Ice350; Sep 28, 2004 at 06:23 PM.
Originally posted by PHML
Well...the camber is only 0.2 degrees off between both fronts....so thats nowhere near enuff to create the 0.25" difference in height.
What shocks are u running with these Espelir springs?
I'd suggest you check if the springs are sitting properly on the shock mount plate, if the nut on top of the strut holding the pillow mounts are evenly tightened, etc...
Good luck.
Pete
Well...the camber is only 0.2 degrees off between both fronts....so thats nowhere near enuff to create the 0.25" difference in height.
What shocks are u running with these Espelir springs?
I'd suggest you check if the springs are sitting properly on the shock mount plate, if the nut on top of the strut holding the pillow mounts are evenly tightened, etc...
Good luck.
Pete
Last edited by TwentyTen; Sep 28, 2004 at 08:36 PM.
Originally posted by Darius2004
I have brand new ESPELIR Active Super Down springs for Toyota Aristo, 30mm-70mm. Mine are 55mm front and 30mm rear.
www.espelir.co.jp or http://www.mackinindustries.com/espelir_spring.html
Wheels: 19x8 Front, 19x10 Rear
Tires: 235/35/19 Front, 275/30/19 Rear
I'll take photos and post later.
I have brand new ESPELIR Active Super Down springs for Toyota Aristo, 30mm-70mm. Mine are 55mm front and 30mm rear.
www.espelir.co.jp or http://www.mackinindustries.com/espelir_spring.html
Wheels: 19x8 Front, 19x10 Rear
Tires: 235/35/19 Front, 275/30/19 Rear
I'll take photos and post later.
Tommy
Originally posted by D2-AUTOSPORT
I have to disagree with some other replies here. The camber will affect the height, I have had many cars aligned and have had the camber affect the "posture" of the car. Its not a drastic difference, but enough to annoy a detail oriented owner.
As far as the height difference goes, thats what happens with springs, in my experience though, its always the drivers side that sites maybe .25 lower.
I have to disagree with some other replies here. The camber will affect the height, I have had many cars aligned and have had the camber affect the "posture" of the car. Its not a drastic difference, but enough to annoy a detail oriented owner.
As far as the height difference goes, thats what happens with springs, in my experience though, its always the drivers side that sites maybe .25 lower.
If you are dropping 55 mm up front, I think your shop might have done your camber alignment a little too conservatively (imagine in your mind that your front wheels are too "vertical") which will cause it to rub-a-dub.....
Good luck.
I also have the same problem, no one can notice it but me, my friends think im seeing things - but the pass. rear side it deff. higher then my driver rear, only a little bit
I have Espilier Springs,Ltuned shocks, wheels are 235/35/19x8.5 275/30/19x9, no rubbing though
I have Espilier Springs,Ltuned shocks, wheels are 235/35/19x8.5 275/30/19x9, no rubbing though
darius, i don't know if there could be anything else wrong, but if you look at ALL GS from factory, they are not the same height left and right anyway already. yes, i know coz' two mechanics told me the same thing already. and i know it very well coz' i have coilover with almost no gap, and in order to achieve that, you will be amazed to see how differeent i have to drop my coilover left and right
Thanks again guys. Glad to see that its not just me, I was getting worried. So aside from coils, is there anything I can do that doesn't involve going back to EXACT?
PS - What exactly is rolling the fenders? If the tires only rub on sharp turns then it's nothing to worry about right (2-5 seconds @ 5 mph)? Just annoying?
PS - What exactly is rolling the fenders? If the tires only rub on sharp turns then it's nothing to worry about right (2-5 seconds @ 5 mph)? Just annoying?
Last edited by TwentyTen; Sep 29, 2004 at 01:32 AM.
Originally posted by D2-AUTOSPORT
I have to disagree with some other replies here. The camber will affect the height, I have had many cars aligned and have had the camber affect the "posture" of the car. Its not a drastic difference, but enough to annoy a detail oriented owner.
As far as the height difference goes, thats what happens with springs, in my experience though, its always the drivers side that sites maybe .25 lower.
I have to disagree with some other replies here. The camber will affect the height, I have had many cars aligned and have had the camber affect the "posture" of the car. Its not a drastic difference, but enough to annoy a detail oriented owner.
As far as the height difference goes, thats what happens with springs, in my experience though, its always the drivers side that sites maybe .25 lower.
I had the exact same problem when I had my Tein Flex coilovers installed back in April. The right rear tire was tilted too far in at the top and I suspect the front right was also like that. So much so that when the alignment was done my car now sits higher on the right hand side.
I have to adjust the springs on mine soon to make the height the same on both sides. It is not a major difference, but it drives me nuts. It is probably between .25 to .5 of an inch difference.
Originally posted by Darius2004
Thanks again guys. Glad to see that its not just me, I was getting worried. So aside from coils, is there anything I can do that doesn't involve going back to EXACT?
PS - What exactly is rolling the fenders? If the tires only rub on sharp turns then it's nothing to worry about right (2-5 seconds @ 5 mph)? Just annoying?
Thanks again guys. Glad to see that its not just me, I was getting worried. So aside from coils, is there anything I can do that doesn't involve going back to EXACT?
PS - What exactly is rolling the fenders? If the tires only rub on sharp turns then it's nothing to worry about right (2-5 seconds @ 5 mph)? Just annoying?
about rubbing, rolling means you push up the whole fender lip. i suggest against it coz' you chip your fender easy. just shave the fender, that's your best bet
Originally posted by rominl
and i know it very well coz' i have coilover with almost no gap, and in order to achieve that, you will be amazed to see how differeent i have to drop my coilover left and right
and i know it very well coz' i have coilover with almost no gap, and in order to achieve that, you will be amazed to see how differeent i have to drop my coilover left and right
I was going to lower it more at first, but then it settled!
I've seen this discussion before. I've heard, as a theory, that the reason why our vehicles sit lower on the driver's side is because springs for our cars are designed for the JDM Aristo - right hand drive vehicles. Our GS's place more weight on the left side, and hence are lower due to the difference.
And to those with coilovers, I think it is a mistake to lower your car to an even height on opposing corners. Sure, it may look right, but the ideal way to balance a vehicle with coilovers is to corner balance, by placing scales under each wheel and adjusting height by evenly distributing the weight on opposing corners (i.e. weight of front left + right rear = weight of front right + left rear). I've done this on my car, and I've noticed an improvement in handling.
Okay guys, hope this helps.
And to those with coilovers, I think it is a mistake to lower your car to an even height on opposing corners. Sure, it may look right, but the ideal way to balance a vehicle with coilovers is to corner balance, by placing scales under each wheel and adjusting height by evenly distributing the weight on opposing corners (i.e. weight of front left + right rear = weight of front right + left rear). I've done this on my car, and I've noticed an improvement in handling.
Okay guys, hope this helps.
Originally posted by pvmike1
I've seen this discussion before. I've heard, as a theory, that the reason why our vehicles sit lower on the driver's side is because springs for our cars are designed for the JDM Aristo - right hand drive vehicles. Our GS's place more weight on the left side, and hence are lower due to the difference.
And to those with coilovers, I think it is a mistake to lower your car to an even height on opposing corners. Sure, it may look right, but the ideal way to balance a vehicle with coilovers is to corner balance, by placing scales under each wheel and adjusting height by evenly distributing the weight on opposing corners (i.e. weight of front left + right rear = weight of front right + left rear). I've done this on my car, and I've noticed an improvement in handling.
Okay guys, hope this helps.
I've seen this discussion before. I've heard, as a theory, that the reason why our vehicles sit lower on the driver's side is because springs for our cars are designed for the JDM Aristo - right hand drive vehicles. Our GS's place more weight on the left side, and hence are lower due to the difference.
And to those with coilovers, I think it is a mistake to lower your car to an even height on opposing corners. Sure, it may look right, but the ideal way to balance a vehicle with coilovers is to corner balance, by placing scales under each wheel and adjusting height by evenly distributing the weight on opposing corners (i.e. weight of front left + right rear = weight of front right + left rear). I've done this on my car, and I've noticed an improvement in handling.
Okay guys, hope this helps.
Originally posted by Darius2004
After my alignement the car rides buttery smooth again but it got LOWER!
Lower is fine but on the passenger's side front it's about .25" lower than the drivers side front. Nobody notices it but I see it CLEARLY! I even see it IN the car!
It rubs on both sides now when I make sharp turns or U-turns. Is this normal??? Should I take it back to the shop that did the alignment.
I have the before and after camber numbers if needed..
Please help,
Darius
After my alignement the car rides buttery smooth again but it got LOWER!
Lower is fine but on the passenger's side front it's about .25" lower than the drivers side front. Nobody notices it but I see it CLEARLY! I even see it IN the car!
It rubs on both sides now when I make sharp turns or U-turns. Is this normal??? Should I take it back to the shop that did the alignment.
I have the before and after camber numbers if needed..
Please help,
Darius
Sorry to hear of your dillema. Here's my take on your situation. Tires rub now due to toe adjustment set back to spec's. Depending on where the tires rub on your fender well, you might be able to play with the toe setting, still be within factory spec's, and have the rubbing, at least minimized. You'll need to have access to an alignment machine to do this though. Now on the uneven drop. Have you tried measuring with someone in the driver seat. If it evens out, you'll be O.K. Theres also some other things you can check. Like, make sure all the springs are seated on the strut properly, worn out rubber strut tower insulators or something a simple as tire pressure. Sometimes, if the spring and strut aren't lined up properly before the nut on top is tightened, you go to mount it back up to the car and nothing lines up. You end up fighting it back on and that can cause problems. Hope this helps buddy. Keep us posted.
Will
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