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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:22 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LexAristo
After installing my coilovers with the same threads on the left and right side, I noticed that the passenger side is still higher. To compensate, I just lowered the passenger side a lil more.




I have uneven drop with my new springs too. That's one of the reasons I ordered coilovers...to compensate. Of course I also want a softer ride but adjustability is also a factor.

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by PHML
Well...the camber is only 0.2 degrees off between both fronts....so thats nowhere near enuff to create the 0.25" difference in height.

What shocks are u running with these Espelir springs?

I'd suggest you check if the springs are sitting properly on the shock mount plate, if the nut on top of the strut holding the pillow mounts are evenly tightened, etc...

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Thanks again for the help everyone. I am currently using the OEM Lexus shocks but will be changing to KYB G2 shocks (not anytime soon though). It will probably be a year or 2 before I upgrade to TEIN's with the EDFC.

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Darius2004
I have brand new ESPELIR Active Super Down springs for Toyota Aristo, 30mm-70mm. Mine are 55mm front and 30mm rear.
www.espelir.co.jp or http://www.mackinindustries.com/espelir_spring.html

Wheels: 19x8 Front, 19x10 Rear

Tires: 235/35/19 Front, 275/30/19 Rear

I'll take photos and post later.
Darius: i'm also using the espelir spring with ltuned shocks. I have the the same problem. The right side is higher than the left side. I was told the the left side settles more than the right side, coz most of the time there's more weight pressed down on da left. I think its normal.. but i should cause your wheels and tires to rub.

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by D2-AUTOSPORT
I have to disagree with some other replies here. The camber will affect the height, I have had many cars aligned and have had the camber affect the "posture" of the car. Its not a drastic difference, but enough to annoy a detail oriented owner.

As far as the height difference goes, thats what happens with springs, in my experience though, its always the drivers side that sites maybe .25 lower.
I agree with Derrick, the only reason my +24 rear wheels fit under my arches, with massive drop, without any fender rolling was because of my seriously aggressive cambers and because I removed the plastic panel.

If you are dropping 55 mm up front, I think your shop might have done your camber alignment a little too conservatively (imagine in your mind that your front wheels are too "vertical") which will cause it to rub-a-dub.....

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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I also have the same problem, no one can notice it but me, my friends think im seeing things - but the pass. rear side it deff. higher then my driver rear, only a little bit

I have Espilier Springs,Ltuned shocks, wheels are 235/35/19x8.5 275/30/19x9, no rubbing though
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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darius, i don't know if there could be anything else wrong, but if you look at ALL GS from factory, they are not the same height left and right anyway already. yes, i know coz' two mechanics told me the same thing already. and i know it very well coz' i have coilover with almost no gap, and in order to achieve that, you will be amazed to see how differeent i have to drop my coilover left and right
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 01:28 AM
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Thanks again guys. Glad to see that its not just me, I was getting worried. So aside from coils, is there anything I can do that doesn't involve going back to EXACT?

PS - What exactly is rolling the fenders? If the tires only rub on sharp turns then it's nothing to worry about right (2-5 seconds @ 5 mph)? Just annoying?

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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by D2-AUTOSPORT
I have to disagree with some other replies here. The camber will affect the height, I have had many cars aligned and have had the camber affect the "posture" of the car. Its not a drastic difference, but enough to annoy a detail oriented owner.

As far as the height difference goes, thats what happens with springs, in my experience though, its always the drivers side that sites maybe .25 lower.
This is absolutely correct.

I had the exact same problem when I had my Tein Flex coilovers installed back in April. The right rear tire was tilted too far in at the top and I suspect the front right was also like that. So much so that when the alignment was done my car now sits higher on the right hand side.

I have to adjust the springs on mine soon to make the height the same on both sides. It is not a major difference, but it drives me nuts. It is probably between .25 to .5 of an inch difference.
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 04:59 AM
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


and I thought I had an uneven driveway
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by Darius2004
Thanks again guys. Glad to see that its not just me, I was getting worried. So aside from coils, is there anything I can do that doesn't involve going back to EXACT?

PS - What exactly is rolling the fenders? If the tires only rub on sharp turns then it's nothing to worry about right (2-5 seconds @ 5 mph)? Just annoying?
no fix for springs. you can cut the springs, but that's a horrible idea to say the least

about rubbing, rolling means you push up the whole fender lip. i suggest against it coz' you chip your fender easy. just shave the fender, that's your best bet
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by rominl
and i know it very well coz' i have coilover with almost no gap, and in order to achieve that, you will be amazed to see how differeent i have to drop my coilover left and right
Same here, it took me about a month of fiddling 2-4 days a week, to get that perfect stance. When I posted those "allow me to re-introduce myself" pics, I had the car plain ole' slammed. It was rubbing alot (so much that I had to just keep the EDFC on full stiff at all times). then I raised it to a 1finger front 1 finger gap rear and HATED it. I swear the damn car looked stock. So I played and played and played. Finally, I got it, I have my drivers side rear perch half a turn higher than my passenger side. I still have yet to roll/shave anything, I just took the black metal liners off the front fenders. I have to be careful though, I pulled my fender lips about 5-6 times already (just bend it back and paint with touch up).

I was going to lower it more at first, but then it settled!
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 06:38 PM
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I've seen this discussion before. I've heard, as a theory, that the reason why our vehicles sit lower on the driver's side is because springs for our cars are designed for the JDM Aristo - right hand drive vehicles. Our GS's place more weight on the left side, and hence are lower due to the difference.

And to those with coilovers, I think it is a mistake to lower your car to an even height on opposing corners. Sure, it may look right, but the ideal way to balance a vehicle with coilovers is to corner balance, by placing scales under each wheel and adjusting height by evenly distributing the weight on opposing corners (i.e. weight of front left + right rear = weight of front right + left rear). I've done this on my car, and I've noticed an improvement in handling.

Okay guys, hope this helps.
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Originally posted by pvmike1
I've seen this discussion before. I've heard, as a theory, that the reason why our vehicles sit lower on the driver's side is because springs for our cars are designed for the JDM Aristo - right hand drive vehicles. Our GS's place more weight on the left side, and hence are lower due to the difference.

And to those with coilovers, I think it is a mistake to lower your car to an even height on opposing corners. Sure, it may look right, but the ideal way to balance a vehicle with coilovers is to corner balance, by placing scales under each wheel and adjusting height by evenly distributing the weight on opposing corners (i.e. weight of front left + right rear = weight of front right + left rear). I've done this on my car, and I've noticed an improvement in handling.

Okay guys, hope this helps.
i totally agree, if anyone is for pure performance, definitely don't do what most of us do, it's not good for handling. but then if we really care that much about handling, we wouldn't be lowering our car that much anyway i suppose
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Darius2004
After my alignement the car rides buttery smooth again but it got LOWER!


Lower is fine but on the passenger's side front it's about .25" lower than the drivers side front. Nobody notices it but I see it CLEARLY! I even see it IN the car!

It rubs on both sides now when I make sharp turns or U-turns. Is this normal??? Should I take it back to the shop that did the alignment.

I have the before and after camber numbers if needed..

Please help,

Darius
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Sorry to hear of your dillema. Here's my take on your situation. Tires rub now due to toe adjustment set back to spec's. Depending on where the tires rub on your fender well, you might be able to play with the toe setting, still be within factory spec's, and have the rubbing, at least minimized. You'll need to have access to an alignment machine to do this though. Now on the uneven drop. Have you tried measuring with someone in the driver seat. If it evens out, you'll be O.K. Theres also some other things you can check. Like, make sure all the springs are seated on the strut properly, worn out rubber strut tower insulators or something a simple as tire pressure. Sometimes, if the spring and strut aren't lined up properly before the nut on top is tightened, you go to mount it back up to the car and nothing lines up. You end up fighting it back on and that can cause problems. Hope this helps buddy. Keep us posted.

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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 12:00 PM
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Thanks Will!

Regarding the rubbing, as long as it is only on sharp turn at low speeds, I don't think it will be a problem with the tires.
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