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NY and Cali are probably the most densely populated 2 states in the US, yet car sales is more than 4x in Cali. The difference? NY has a great public transportation network. You can almost go anywhere without a car. Instead of banning ICE, various state governments should invest in a competent public transportation network similar to NYC. You will cut down on traffic, congestion and naturally pollution. Forcing EVs on people in the name of saving the environment are for people that's uninformed. You are basically moving the pollution from tailpipes to smoke stacks.
New York State does not have great public transportation, New York City does. That's an important distinction. 20.2M people live in all of NYS. But the NYC metro, or specifically the New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is 20.1M people. The number two, three, and four MSAs in NYS--Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany/Schenectady, are all right around 1 million each. And while they do have some basic public transportation, it mostly amounts to a few dozen bus routes. Only Buffalo even has a train system. The rest of the state is fairly rural.
California, on the other hand, though it has about the same amount of its citizens living in urban areas (~94% for each state), the difference is they're not all in a single urban area with a population roughly equal to that of the entire state. But even if you limit yourself to just the most comparable Greater Los Angeles, you've got a slightly lower population (18.5M) in TEN TIMES the space--33,954 sq mi vs. 3,450 sq mi. A bit more difficult and expensive to make an effective public transportation system for. California overall has seven MSAs with populations of over 1M, and all of them are very large compared to NYC. Overall, it has roughly double the population of NYS (39.2M vs. 20.2M).
So you should not be surprised that NYC has a great public transportation system, while the ginormous and spread out state of California does not.
]New York State does not have great public transportation, New York City does. That's an important distinction. .
I really don't really feel like riding a bus or taxi anyway. lol
Hope the EV wars continue because I believe it will cause innovation and lower prices.
Yeah, I can dream cuz the days of abundant low cost cars is over... IMO
All this t"ech" and cars are more expensive than ever and it's sad.
That's an important distinction. 20.2M people live in all of NYS. But the NYC metro, or specifically the New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is 20.1M people.
was trying to grok this but i see you included northern NJ in the second number.
NY and Cali are probably the most densely populated 2 states in the US, yet car sales is more than 4x in Cali. The difference? NY has a great public transportation network. You can almost go anywhere without a car. Instead of banning ICE, various state governments should invest in a competent public transportation network similar to NYC. You will cut down on traffic, congestion and naturally pollution. Forcing EVs on people in the name of saving the environment are for people that's uninformed. You are basically moving the pollution from tailpipes to smoke stacks.
not even remotely comparable, lol.
i think gotham city should ban private cars entirely.
not even remotely comparable, lol.
i think gotham city should ban private cars entirely.
Completely disagree lol. My brother btw just got a new Escalade ESV to carry around his kids, dogs, babysitter etc. He lives in a building in the city. There are many ppl that need private cars as they have families, pets etc.
The congestion is mostly caused by taxis, limo service and ubers not by commuters or ppl actually residing in Manhattan.
Tesla just cut prices, again yesterday. I think this must have been the 5th price cut this yr to juice demand. So far it really hasnt worked. I think with all the economic and political turmoil and rates going up, people are less inclined to spend money on expensive toys. EVs are essentially toys for the rich or perhaps upper middle class right now.
Tesla just cut prices, again yesterday. I think this must have been the 5th price cut this yr to juice demand. So far it really hasnt worked. I think with all the economic and political turmoil and rates going up, people are less inclined to spend money on expensive toys. EVs are essentially toys for the rich or perhaps upper middle class right now.
I'm not sure how you came up with that conclusion when they literally just had their best quarter ever, are continuing to expand and add factories. Model Y is not available until June. You must be reading different numbers than I am
Tesla just cut prices, again yesterday. I think this must have been the 5th price cut this yr to juice demand. So far it really hasnt worked. I think with all the economic and political turmoil and rates going up, people are less inclined to spend money on expensive toys. EVs are essentially toys for the rich or perhaps upper middle class right now.
This I agree with. The only "affordable" new EV's are compact tiny ugly things.
This I agree with. The only "affordable" new EV's are compact tiny ugly things.
Tell me what new car is affordable? Basic Civic is nearly $30K...before dealership markups. Prius is over $40K before dealership markups. There are no affordable new cars. BTW the Bolt is a very good looking affordable EV, IMHO of course which is priced similar to a Civic/Corolla
I'm not sure how you came up with that conclusion when they literally just had their best quarter ever, are continuing to expand and add factories. Model Y is not available until June. You must be reading different numbers than I am
So what you are saying is the price cuts worked and the reason that Tesla had their best qtr ever was due to the price cut? If EVs are in such great demand, there is no reason for Tesla to cut prices at all.
So what you are saying is the price cuts worked and the reason that Tesla had their best qtr ever was due to the price cut? If EVs are in such great demand, there is no reason for Tesla to cut prices at all.
Electric vehicles don't magically make people have more money.
