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We rented a Mach E GT for a week and had a similar experience. 0-60 was SO fast but past 70 omg it was terribly slow. Even our Model Y Long Range is significantly faster at those speeds. The Mach E would take ages to hit 100, you almost can't. The Model Y does it accidentally with the slightest squeeze of the throttle. It is so much better in this area. Like SOOOOO much better.
That was an eye opening test drive experience for us, it's definitely a dealbreaker. I was so glad to have experienced that then because at the time we were highly considering one. If we had gotten one and found out about how slow it was past 70 or that you only get 5 seconds of max power before it pulls acceleration, I'd have been PISSED and full of remorse. It was that bad.
Lastly, once the battery gets to like 23% or so, the Mach E enters "turtle mode" and becomes so extremely slow as well. The Model Y even in single digit battery % has an impressive amount of power.
That would be a dealbreaker for me, as when I travel to SoCal, I need full power all the time, at any speed. Most of the highways to SoCal are 2 lane with slow drivers sometimes taking up the left lanes and trucks and other slower drivers in the right lanes. Also lots of steep inclines (here's an example of one of the highways I take to SoCal: https://photos.app.goo.gl/GjWpnbhtu38o1HDY8 ). Many times I will need to get around these slow drivers before hitting upcoming trucks, so I'll need to get from 70 to 100 very quickly. And the Polestar does it very quickly! Also, Polestar doesn't start pulling power until after 10 percent. It hits "Turtle mode" around 4 percent
My next door neighbor bought a new F150 a couple weeks ago and he took it in to get something fixed and they gave him a brand new Mach-E GT (or whatever the high end model is) to drive for a couple weeks. I didn’t drive it but I sat in it and the interior was pretty nice although the back seat was small. It was that orange color with black wheels and it looked pretty cool. Only problem is he said it’s pretty fast to 70mph and then the power drops off pretty good after that so that sucks plus the sticker that’s on it is $74K.
i think that's a FEATURE... it was setup that way by the dealer so it can't be flogged. watch video here.
@bitkahuna you are. I've read a couple of articles that Mach-E's hit a wall after 70 mph, I thought it was related to a heating issue they were having last year and maybe it still is an issue that's not been fixed except by limiting power at higher speeds
That would be a dealbreaker for me, as when I travel to SoCal, I need full power all the time, at any speed. Most of the highways to SoCal are 2 lane with slow drivers sometimes taking up the left lanes and trucks and other slower drivers in the right lanes. Also lots of steep inclines (here's an example of one of the highways I take to SoCal: https://photos.app.goo.gl/GjWpnbhtu38o1HDY8 ). Many times I will need to get around these slow drivers before hitting upcoming trucks, so I'll need to get from 70 to 100 very quickly. And the Polestar does it very quickly! Also, Polestar doesn't start pulling power until after 10 percent. It hits "Turtle mode" around 4 percent
I feel you! We travel on lots of 2 lane (1 in each travel direction) highways out here in the midwest and also need to be able to pass quickly and effortlessly. The 70-100 acceleration is important out here for passing slower semis and trucks and getting out of the way of oncoming traffic. The Mach E would be completely inept and would make passing maneuvers very difficult and stressful out here. The Model Y makes it effortless, even uphill (I should say, especially uphill. I LOVE accelerating and passing uphills. It's like nothing I've ever experienced in an ICE car).
I feel you! We travel on lots of 2 lane (1 in each travel direction) highways out here in the midwest and also need to be able to pass quickly and effortlessly. The 70-100 acceleration is important out here for passing slower semis and trucks and getting out of the way of oncoming traffic. The Mach E would be completely inept and would make passing maneuvers very difficult and stressful out here. The Model Y makes it effortless, even uphill (I should say, especially uphill. I LOVE accelerating and passing uphills. It's like nothing I've ever experienced in an ICE car).
In an EV with a lot of torque, it's like the steep hill doesn't exist. On one of my trips on the very road in the video link I posted, a Charger SRT came up on my tail while I was going around 75 at about maybe a 5 percent incline. I put the pedal down and I could hear the downshift and roar of the SRT's V8, but by the time he got into a lower gear and the proper power band, he was a tiny spec in my rear view mirror. Having way more HP than me, he eventually caught up and passed me, but by than he was hitting over 100 mph, and the look on his face was totally worth that stunt
+1000000 Drove my model 3 Performance to my son in LA and the Grapevine was effortless. Kind of bad, because I was going to fast that everyone looked like they were standing still, making me stick out for the cops ...lol
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
In an EV with a lot of torque, it's like the steep hill doesn't exist. On one of my trips on the very road in the video link I posted, a Charger SRT came up on my tail while I was going around 75 at about maybe a 5 percent incline. I put the pedal down and I could hear the downshift and roar of the SRT's V8, but by the time he got into a lower gear and the proper power band, he was a tiny spec in my rear view mirror. Having way more HP than me, he eventually caught up and passed me, but by than he was hitting over 100 mph, and the look on his face was totally worth that stunt
+1000000 Drove my model 3 Performance to my son in LA and the Grapevine was effortless. Kind of bad, because I was going to fast that everyone looked like they were standing still, making me stick out for the cops ...lol
Must be awesome to drive the M3P on up the Grapevine. My Polestar does it so effortlessly, I usually have cruise set to 80 mph and it doesn't even slow down. The best part is when I regenerate some of what I lost going down the otherside
BMW and Volkswagen (VW) have announced massive price cuts in China, following the likes of 5 other automakers who are battling an initial price cut from Tesla late last year.
Tesla’s massive price cut in China has caused an avalanche of similar price adjustments from competing manufacturers attempting to keep up. This includes domestic Chinese brands like Xpeng and BYD and import brands like Ford, Nissan, and Toyota. Now, BMW and VW have also jumped into the mix, slashing prices on some of their most popular models.
As initially reported by CnEVPost, BMW’s price cut is by far the most significant of the adjustments seen in the market. The BMW i3 (not the same as the hatchback sold in western markets) has seen its price cut by 100,000 yuan ($14,623) to help combat the slide in sales the premium German automaker has seen. At the same time, VW has cut prices across the board by up to 40,000 yuan ($5,849), applying to ID.4, ID.6, and ID.3 vehicles in China. This follows an 8.5% decline in VW sales in the region during the first two months of the year compared to the same time in 2022.
The response from other brands has been similar, if not more extreme. On select models, Ford cut prices by as much as 40,000 yuan ($5,849), Nissan by as much as 60,000 yuan ($8,773), Toyota by as much as 30,000 yuan ($4,386), Xpeng by as much as 36,000 yuan ($5,264), and BYD by as much as 8,888 yuan ($1,299).
Ironically, Tesla is far from the price leader in electric vehicles, with numerous brands like BYD and NIO already offering substantially cheaper vehicles. But many analysts believe that Tesla’s more popular offerings attract buyers at multiple price brackets, hence the resulting adjustment from so many competitors.
Sadly, these same price adjustments have not been instituted outside the Chinese market with the same regularity. Despite a similar price adjustment from Tesla in the United States earlier this year, thus far, the only sizable adjustment has come from Ford. The same can be said for Europe, where, despite a slightly smaller discount, other brands have yet to respond as aggressively.
Tesla has shown a willingness to continue to cut prices in many markets, including China and the West, but it remains unclear how other manufacturers will react to the movement. With such a clear response from buyers in China, competitors had little choice but to battle the more popular offerings from Tesla, but the reaction in the West has not been as pronounced. However, with Tesla’s first-quarter delivery numbers expected to be announced shortly, consumer reaction to North American price adjustments may become more apparent.
when everyone has a 'buttery smooth', 'instant torque', 'fast', 'quiet' vehicle, with little other differentiation, it's then a race to the bottom on price.
when everyone has a 'buttery smooth', 'instant torque', 'fast', 'quiet' vehicle, with little other differentiation, it's then a race to the bottom on price.
That's what I'm hoping for! But I don't think Tesla is ever going to go the luxury route, so that's where the differentiation will lay
Hyundai Motor Plug-In Car Sales Surged By 70% In February 2023
The company noted record BEV and PHEV wholesale shipments
Hyundai Motor Company (Hyundai and Genesis brands) reports that its global vehicle sales in February amounted to 327,718 units, which is 7.3 percent more than a year ago. So far this year, the company sold 637,841 vehicles (up 8.5 percent year-over-year).
Our focus is on the quickly expanding plug-in electric car sales, which last month reached new record levels.
According to Hyundai Motor Company, last month, the combined wholesale shipments (closely related to production) of Hyundai and Genesis plug-in cars amounted to *30,364 (up 70 percent year-over-year). We estimate that it's over nine percent of the total volume.
*Retail sales in South Korea plus wholesale sales (manufacturer level) outside South Korea, unaudited and on a preliminary basis.
**The Hyundai sales report includes sales numbers from the plants in South Korea, Europe (Kona Electric and Tucson PHEV), Indonesia (Ioniq 5), and plants in China and India (both small numbers), as well as in the United States.
The data indicate that both, all-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicle wholesale shipments reached new monthly records. In the case of BEVs, it's more than 25,000 for the very first time, while in the case of PHEVs, it's more than 5,000 units.
It's worth noting that the company reports over 20,000 all-electric car sales (compared to 25,000+ wholesale shipments), which indicates that the following months might be even better.
"Hyundai Motor maintained its electric vehicle (EV) sales momentum by selling over 20,000 units in February, led by IONIQ 5 and IONIQ 6, which accounted for more than half of the total EV sales."
Wholesale shipments volume by powertrain type:
BEVs: 25,172 (up 77%)
PHEVs: 5,192 (up 44%)
Total plug-ins: 30,364 (up 70%)
FCVs: 924 (up 42%)
So far this year, the wholesale shipments exceeded 51,000 (up 77 percent year-over-year).
Wholesale shipments volume by powertrain type year-to-date:
The Hyundai brand, which is responsible for the majority of the company's plug-in car sales, noted a 66 percent year-over-year increase in wholesale shipments to over 28,000.
It's a new monthly record, but more importantly, also the all-electric segment noted a record of over 23,000.
Hyundai wholesale shipments volume by powertrain type:
BEVs: 23,407 (up 71%)
PHEVs: 5,192 (up 44%)
Total plug-ins: 28,599 (up 66%)
FCVs: 924 (up 42%)
Wholesale shipments volume by powertrain type YTD:
BEVs: 40,243 (up 99%)
PHEVs: 7,804 (up 1%)
Total plug-ins: 48,047 (up 72%)
FCVs: 1,328 (up 30%)
For reference, in 2022, Hyundai's plug-in electric car wholesale shipments amounted to over 221,000, including over 175,000 all-electric cars.
Model results
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 remains the top model in Hyundai's EV lineup with nearly 10,000 units in February, although it's worth noting that the Hyundai Ioniq 6 reached a new monthly record of 6,854.
In 2023, the lineup will be joined by the Ioniq 5 N - "the company’s first high-performance EV, with details to be unveiled in the coming months." In the pipeline is also the all-new Kona, which will have an all-electric version.
Top models (wholesale shipments) last month (and YTD):
The hydrogen fuel cell model — Hyundai NEXO — noted 924 units in February (and 1,328 YTD).
Genesis brand
In the case of Genesis, the brand's wholesale shipments of all-electric cars (GV60, GV70 EV, and G80 EV) amounted to 1,765 (up 206 percent year-over-year) plus the first 24 Genesis Electrified GV70 produced in the US.
the headline is the usual silly clickbait growth percentage, and includes plugin hybrids.
cutting through the fluff..
"... this year, the company sold 637,841 vehicles (up 8.5 percent year-over-year)."
"BEVs: 43,278 (up 105%)"
so that actually means 7% of hyundai's sales are ev's.
I actually believe that percentage would be higher if they could produce enough of them. Not to get anecdotal on you, but I know a lot of people who bought a Tesla instead simply because the dealership didn't have the model they wanted and the wait would be 3 to 4 months (Ioniq 5)
