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Old Oct 31, 2022 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
I can play the number game also. Florida has 7,670.861 registered vehicles in 2021. 96k is a drop in the bucket. Sorry if I don't see many EV's on the road.

Most EV's sold now are "toys", a second or third vehicle in the family. So most of the them are in the garage waiting for a weekend spin while the old reliable ICE is used every day. I also consider EV's in the "model T" era. Battery tech has a long way to go in development. I would never buy one today.
Perhaps compare ICE to EV new car registrations for a more meaningful number. Or show the numbers for the last 5 years, year by year to establish trend.
And take pickup trucks out, as there is no apples-to-apples comparison.
Did you know the Model Y is expected to be the #1 selling car in the world by volume and it is probably #1 already by revenue?
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Old Oct 31, 2022 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
it is probably #1 already by revenue?
We should have some stats?

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Old Oct 31, 2022 | 06:29 PM
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Tesla is at the bottom of the barrel for reliability, second worst of them all. That isn’t denial, that’s the truth. They need dealers for the things that go wrong with the cars. The denial is the people who think just because the car is battery powered and that nothing will ever go wrong. Again check that reliability list.
That depends on your definition of reliability. Consumer Reports dings Tesla for panel gaps. But if you define reliability as performing consistantly well, then Teslas are highly reliable.
And CR says Tesla has the highest customer satisfaction of any car; only the mighty Porsche comes close...
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Old Oct 31, 2022 | 07:56 PM
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Where do you get this from?
Just experience with and confidence in Toyota. You don't think Toyota can make a reliable and long lasting EV? I have every confidence they can. Electric motors are very long lived, and less complexity equals less things to go wrong, Toyota can make reliable extremely long lasting ICE cars they certainly can an EV.

If you know people with Teslas, the issues are with the electronics, computers, telematics, they aren't issues with the motors or batteries. Those are all areas where Toyota excels in reliability.

To purchase an electric car, one has to pay more $$$ compared to a gas car.
Upfront, for now...but maintenance and running costs are much less.

EVs will slow down at some point
How does that make sense when every major automaker has pledged to make only them within the next 20 years? Sales of EVs are going to explode, not slow down.
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Tesla Made 8 Times More Profit Per Car Than Toyota
Toyota may have outsold Tesla 7 to 1 during the third quarter of this year but it is the electric car manufacturer that reported higher net profits for the period.

In fact, Tesla reported a $3.29 billion net profit in the July-September quarter compared with a $3.15 billion (434.2 billion yen) net profit for Toyota, meaning Tesla earned eight times as much profit per vehicle as Toyota.
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I take these numbers with a grain of salt. With the supply constraints many models were undeliverable. I know the Lexus NX at Cambridge experienced production slowdowns due to part shortages, Lexus would prefer to slowdown production versus Ford that puts unfinished models in a field.
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
I take these numbers with a grain of salt. With the supply constraints many models were undeliverable. I know the Lexus NX at Cambridge experienced production slowdowns due to part shortages, Lexus would prefer to slowdown production versus Ford that puts unfinished models in a field.
It's not about volume, where Toyota is obviously ahead of Tesla even with shortages. It's about profitability per unit, which was the concern Toyota themselves expressed in the OP article.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
It's not about volume, where Toyota is obviously ahead of Tesla even with shortages. It's about profitability per unit, which was the concern Toyota themselves expressed in the OP article.
Again expressed in a different way, taken directly from the article "While Toyota was trailing Tesla on net profit, it came out ahead in operating profit, returning $4.08 billion compared to Tesla’s $3.69 billion"

Tesla will always win the per unit profit because they are insanely over priced.
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
Tesla will always win the per unit profit because they are insanely over priced.
If they're "overpriced" why do people continue to buy them?

There's no way to spin it, Tesla is way more successful than any other brand right now when it comes to profitability. Toyota has noticed, and they want a piece of the action.
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If they're "overpriced" why do people continue to buy them?
Because there a lot of people with money to burn out there especially in California.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
If they're "overpriced" why do people continue to buy them?

There's no way to spin it, Tesla is way more successful than any other brand right now when it comes to profitability. Toyota has noticed, and they want a piece of the action.
Plenty of cars are overpriced.
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
Because there a lot of people with money to burn out there especially in California.
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Plenty of cars are overpriced.
If it was that simple, don't you think Toyota or any other brand would have already raised their prices to match or exceed Tesla?

Maybe... people are just willing to pay that price for a Tesla because it's worth it.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
If it was that simple, don't you think Toyota or any other brand would have already raised their prices to match or exceed Tesla?

Maybe... people are just willing to pay that price for a Tesla because it's worth it.
Tesla definitely has street cred. But still some glaring flaws for the price.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
If it was that simple, don't you think Toyota or any other brand would have already raised their prices to match or exceed Tesla?

Maybe... people are just willing to pay that price for a Tesla because it's worth it.
Your argument is falling apart. Do you think Toyota would jack the price of a Corolla up to Tesla profit margins? Toyota sells cars in all price ranges for different customers. Tesla just has 4 overpriced 4 door sports cars that a lot of people don't want. I read that Tesla is working on 25K model. I can't wait to see what piece of junk that will be.

Well, not because it's worth it but because fools part with their money for no reason all the time.
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Old Nov 11, 2022 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
Your argument is falling apart. Do you think Toyota would jack the price of a Corolla up to Tesla profit margins? Toyota sells cars in all price ranges for different customers. Tesla just has 4 overpriced 4 door sports cars that a lot of people don't want. I read that Tesla is working on 25K model. I can't wait to see what piece of junk that will be.

Well, not because it's worth it but because fools part with their money for no reason all the time.
I don't think you had an argument to begin with lol. How much a company can charge for a car depends on how much people are willing to pay for it. Most people are not willing to pay $60K for a Corolla, therefore Toyota can't price it as such.

Whether you think a Tesla should be worth as much of a Corolla has no bearing on whether a vehicle is "overpriced" as people have already paid for it.
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