Also, California has 40 million people with 27 million of that on the coast. There's another factor. 40 million citizens. Lots of rich people who love Teslas out there. When we went on our househunting trip in 2014 in West Hollywood I was stunned at the Teslas, how many. That was a long, long time ago. Now I'm sure it's absolutely ridiculous with the Teslas.

 

2021 was +64% vs. 2020. If that trend continues this year (likely) you'll be noticing more EV's on the road in Florida.

 

sorry my post triggered you. i'm no ev fanboy, they have pros and cons, but regardless i do see teslas on the road here every day. and i am not doubting what you saw there (used teslas at a cadillac dealership).



not sure about 'many' but some certainly. it all depends on battery and recharging tech and stations.

i think you're saying 20% of new vehicle sales are EVs in california. certainly not 20% of what's on the road! and since california has the highest poverty rate in the nation, i see ice cars being around for decades there unless a massive incentive is given to crash ice cars and get ev's.

some people. and i think that ev utopia is a long way off without massive political interference.

what do you base this on?

 

not sure where in florida you are but in SE florida Teslas are EVERYWHERE. I will often be on i95 surrounded by 2-3 teslas at any given moment. I am sure its not statistically true but I feel like I see more model Y/3/S than corollas in SE florida. I rarely see a Model X though. Shockingly I see Model S plaids almost daily as well.

I am no Tesla fan either...tbh it hurts my spouse and I eyes seeing a Model Y...we think they are so damn ugly. I tease my spouse every now and then that I am going to upgrade her Mercedes to a Model Y and she always looks at me in disgust.

 

The endless denial in this thread is kind of missing the entire point of the article, that even Toyota is now recognizing their mistakes and doubling down on EV's. And according to some of you, don't they know best?

It also incentivizes automakers to cut off dealerships and engage in direct sales (in every part of the world that doesn't have strict state franchising laws like the U.S. to protect dealerships) and reap bigger profits. No need for extensive maintenance = no need for dealerships.

 

The source from Toyota still has not come forward. Much ado about nothing.

 

Let's see how well EVs really sell without any form of subsidies and that could very well happen within the next 2 months to 2 yrs.

 

Looking forward to your next excuse come the big reveal in December lol

 

Could change any day. Toyota has the idea that they will make products for each individual market. They are right. (they have EVs too)

 

Everybody I know with an EV its their daily driver. Makes no sense for it to be "their toy", where they shine is as a daily driver.

Thats been happening with Tesla for a long time, subsidies are long gone and they sell more than ever.

 

Tesla is at the bottom of the barrel for reliability, second worst of them all. That isn’t denial, that’s the truth. They need dealers for the things that go wrong with the cars. The denial is the people who think just because the car is battery powered and that nothing will ever go wrong. Again check that reliability list.

 

Tesla's reliability issues have nothing to do with the EV tech. Its a fact that an EV requires far less maintenance. When Toyota and Lexus are making EVs, they will basically last forever.

 

Maintenance is not reliability. If you try to go the same intervals as a Tesla or any EV without maintenance in an ICE car, I guarantee you it will be on the side of the road much sooner than the EV.

This is the ultimate fear dealerships have of EV's. Dealerships need a constant, guaranteed source of revenue to survive- that is why they live on maintenance. Also bear in mind that breakdowns that occur are typically covered by warranty, so the dealers don't make money off of that. Hence why many of them will go out of their way to reject warranty repairs whenever they can.

 

I don't care how many people buy EVs and buy Teslas, as long as they use their own money to do it - and the government doesn't force me to buy one by eliminating the ICE supply through laws.

 

Where do you get this from?


Personally. I don’t have a problem if something is legislated into law. But on the same token, using legislation to repel or modify a proposed or existing law is also a great thing. The world is now shifting ever so right on the political spectrum… as we can see there is an energy crisis, the price of gas and electricity, as well as natural gas are very high. To purchase an electric car, one has to pay more $$$ compared to a gas car. We now see how important gas is, and the transition to electric cars sustainable net zero is very hard and very costly. EVs will slow down at some point


It would be good to know what the US sales are for EVs and how they are growing over time. Would be really to have a permanent thread on the matter

still waiting for the Toyota sources to come forward as well. Toyota could have completely abandoned EVs on the lower price points for all we know. They are #1 in sales.

How many hybrids can Toyota make in place of how many EVs? Using their battery resources