Toyota rebooting its EV plan with Tesla in mind
10-31-22, 08:27 AM
#61
Lexus Champion
Also, California has 40 million people with 27 million of that on the coast. There's another factor. 40 million citizens. Lots of rich people who love Teslas out there. When we went on our househunting trip in 2014 in West Hollywood I was stunned at the Teslas, how many. That was a long, long time ago. Now I'm sure it's absolutely ridiculous with the Teslas.
10-31-22, 08:36 AM
#62
Lexus Champion
I can play the number game also. Florida has 7,670.861 registered vehicles in 2021. 96k is a drop in the bucket. Sorry if I don't see many EV's on the road.
Most EV's sold now are "toys", a second or third vehicle in the family. So most of the them are in the garage waiting for a weekend spin while the old reliable ICE is used every day. I also consider EV's in the "model T" era. Battery tech has a long way to go in development. I would never buy one today.
Most EV's sold now are "toys", a second or third vehicle in the family. So most of the them are in the garage waiting for a weekend spin while the old reliable ICE is used every day. I also consider EV's in the "model T" era. Battery tech has a long way to go in development. I would never buy one today.
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10-31-22, 08:50 AM
#63
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Within 10 years many carmakers will only be selling EVs
i think you're saying 20% of new vehicle sales are EVs in california. certainly not 20% of what's on the road! and since california has the highest poverty rate in the nation, i see ice cars being around for decades there unless a massive incentive is given to crash ice cars and get ev's.
People like EVs, and the market is heading towards almost complete adoption here regardless of political interference.
10-31-22, 09:16 AM
#64
I don't see a cult here in Florida. When I last visited my Cadillac dealer as I drove in the entrance I saw 4 used Teslas sitting on the lot. I asked my salesman what is going on, he said poeple hate them and are tired of charging them. Florida has a bad charging network.
I am no Tesla fan either...tbh it hurts my spouse and I eyes seeing a Model Y...we think they are so damn ugly. I tease my spouse every now and then that I am going to upgrade her Mercedes to a Model Y and she always looks at me in disgust.
10-31-22, 11:20 AM
#65
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
The endless denial in this thread is kind of missing the entire point of the article, that even Toyota is now recognizing their mistakes and doubling down on EV's. And according to some of you, don't they know best? 
It also incentivizes automakers to cut off dealerships and engage in direct sales (in every part of the world that doesn't have strict state franchising laws like the U.S. to protect dealerships) and reap bigger profits. No need for extensive maintenance = no need for dealerships.
It also incentivizes automakers to cut off dealerships and engage in direct sales (in every part of the world that doesn't have strict state franchising laws like the U.S. to protect dealerships) and reap bigger profits. No need for extensive maintenance = no need for dealerships.
10-31-22, 11:35 AM
#67
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Political change won’t change the fact that these manufacturers have already made these investments and made these shifts, and shifting back isn’t easy or straightforward at all. In any event, the US isn’t the only market, and realities in other markets have caused them to make these development changes also.
Carmakers aren’t going to all of a sudden say “hey let’s not do this” and go back to developing new ICE platforms add scrap everything they have done.
Carmakers aren’t going to all of a sudden say “hey let’s not do this” and go back to developing new ICE platforms add scrap everything they have done.
10-31-22, 11:35 AM
#68
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
10-31-22, 11:38 AM
#69
Lexus Fanatic
10-31-22, 12:25 PM
#70
Lexus Fanatic
I can play the number game also. Florida has 7,670.861 registered vehicles in 2021. 96k is a drop in the bucket. Sorry if I don't see many EV's on the road.
Most EV's sold now are "toys", a second or third vehicle in the family. So most of the them are in the garage waiting for a weekend spin while the old reliable ICE is used every day. I also consider EV's in the "model T" era. Battery tech has a long way to go in development. I would never buy one today.
Most EV's sold now are "toys", a second or third vehicle in the family. So most of the them are in the garage waiting for a weekend spin while the old reliable ICE is used every day. I also consider EV's in the "model T" era. Battery tech has a long way to go in development. I would never buy one today.
10-31-22, 01:15 PM
#71
Lexus Champion
The endless denial in this thread is kind of missing the entire point of the article,
It also incentivizes automakers to cut off dealerships and engage in direct sales (in every part of the world that doesn't have strict state franchising laws like the U.S. to protect dealerships) and reap bigger profits. No need for extensive maintenance = no need for dealerships.
It also incentivizes automakers to cut off dealerships and engage in direct sales (in every part of the world that doesn't have strict state franchising laws like the U.S. to protect dealerships) and reap bigger profits. No need for extensive maintenance = no need for dealerships.
10-31-22, 01:29 PM
#72
Lexus Fanatic
Tesla's reliability issues have nothing to do with the EV tech. Its a fact that an EV requires far less maintenance. When Toyota and Lexus are making EVs, they will basically last forever.
10-31-22, 02:50 PM
#73
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
Tesla is at the bottom of the barrel for reliability, second worst of them all. That isn’t denial, that’s the truth. They need dealers for the things that go wrong with the cars. The denial is the people who think just because the car is battery powered and that nothing will ever go wrong. Again check that reliability list.
This is the ultimate fear dealerships have of EV's. Dealerships need a constant, guaranteed source of revenue to survive- that is why they live on maintenance. Also bear in mind that breakdowns that occur are typically covered by warranty, so the dealers don't make money off of that. Hence why many of them will go out of their way to reject warranty repairs whenever they can.
10-31-22, 03:20 PM
#74
I don't care how many people buy EVs and buy Teslas, as long as they use their own money to do it - and the government doesn't force me to buy one by eliminating the ICE supply through laws.
10-31-22, 03:36 PM
#75
Lexus Fanatic
It would be good to know what the US sales are for EVs and how they are growing over time. Would be really to have a permanent thread on the matter
still waiting for the Toyota sources to come forward as well. Toyota could have completely abandoned EVs on the lower price points for all we know. They are #1 in sales.
How many hybrids can Toyota make in place of how many EVs? Using their battery resources
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