Toyota rebooting its EV plan with Tesla in mind
10-30-22, 07:17 AM
#31
Is that the only reason people buy Teslas? To be in the cult?
10-30-22, 08:04 AM
#32
The end of the ICE car isn't imminent by any stretch, even with governments banning them - those bans will have to be rescinded. ICE cars (including hybrids) are going to be 60-70% of the market for a long time to come.
10-30-22, 10:53 AM
#33
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I don't see a cult here in Florida. When I last visited my Cadillac dealer as I drove in the entrance I saw 4 used Teslas sitting on the lot. I asked my salesman what is going on, he said poeple hate them and are tired of charging them. Florida has a bad charging network.
10-30-22, 10:58 AM
#34
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Literally nobody I know with a Tesla doesn't love it. That sounds like a car salesman who is just spouting BS.
10-30-22, 11:29 AM
#35
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10-30-22, 11:32 AM
#36
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10-30-22, 12:43 PM
#37
I did have a friend get a Performance Y and swap it out for an X5 M50i a few months after getting it. He had the musky AC smell within the first couple of months and the whole service center back and forth put a bad taste in his mouth so he got rid of it despite liking the drive. He's eager to see how my R1S is when it finally arrives late next year.
10-30-22, 01:15 PM
#38
Sorry but they are not "everywhere" Maybe in Present, Fl where ever that is. There were 4 teslas that were traded in for a Cadillac. I know it's hard for the EV bias here to accept the truth.
10-30-22, 01:41 PM
#39
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The top 3 states with the most registered EV's as of 12/31/21 were CA, FL (nearly 96k) and TX. With Tesla's share of the EV market, it would seem there are a lot of them on the road in FL.
10-30-22, 03:29 PM
#40
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EVs are coming, like it or not. Its reached critical velocity at this point and it cannot be stopped. Within 10 years many carmakers will only be selling EVs, they aren't investing anything in developing new ICE platforms, and thats not something that can be changed easily or quickly.
Just because a car dealer has Teslas on their lot does not mean that they are traded in on a Cadillac, car dealers also buy cars at auction to sell on their lots. Cadillac has also started delivering their Lyriq electric car, and those Teslas could have been traded in on that. If you talk to people who have gone to EVs, very few have any desire to go back to ICE.
10-30-22, 03:39 PM
#41
It's only reached "critical velocity" because its measurement takes into account the law of small numbers. Very easy to "double sales" off a small number baseline. Getting from 5 to 10% is easy, from 20% to 40% will take 20 years at least given the average lifespan of a newly purchased car. Tesla will be fine, their buyers are loyal and willing to pay any price to get the cars. The other automakers are in for a rude awakening after the initial hoopla of "look at all our pre-orders" for the first two model years.
10-30-22, 03:54 PM
#42
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I have several friends with Teslas who do love them, but I have a good group of friends with them who also do not. One of my friends has a Model S and just cancelled the X they had on order as "we don't want another one of these." Another good friend has a 3 and cancelled their Y. "The 3 is the most expensive cheap car I've ever owned." So, it does happen, but I do say more people like them than do not.
10-30-22, 03:58 PM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
It's only reached "critical velocity" because its measurement takes into account the law of small numbers. Very easy to "double sales" off a small number baseline. Getting from 5 to 10% is easy, from 20% to 40% will take 20 years at least given the average lifespan of a newly purchased car. Tesla will be fine, their buyers are loyal and willing to pay any price to get the cars. The other automakers are in for a rude awakening after the initial hoopla of "look at all our pre-orders" for the first two model years.
I have several friends with Teslas who do love them, but I have a good group of friends with them who also do not. One of my friends has a Model S and just cancelled the X they had on order as "we don't want another one of these." Another good friend has a 3 and cancelled their Y. "The 3 is the most expensive cheap car I've ever owned." So, it does happen, but I do say more people like them than do not.
10-30-22, 04:56 PM
#44
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2030 is 7 years away. Cracks me up that people think we will be in EV-utopia land at that time. Or that nobody will want ICE cars, just EV. There are still massive disadvantages to EVs that won't be made ideal by 2030. I mean come on. There is one apartment complex in all of Knoxville that offers EV charging (I've checked), and this is a "hip" city believe it or not.
All this virtue signal EV "we're done with ICE " stuff, well it's gonna backfire when automakers massively miss sales targets (and they will, just watch). We simply are not there with battery tech and charging infrastructure, not to mention having them shoved down our throats just makes many of us not want them even more.
I think the appeal of Tesla is the street cred (they can be very, very expensive...wow factor) and performance wayyyyy more than buying them just bc they're an EV. Like I was saying earlier, more mainstream EVs have about the same performance as ICE street counterparts so I really see zero advantage there. I'm not hating on EVs or people who love them but the rose tinted glasses are very thick in some cases.
All this virtue signal EV "we're done with ICE " stuff, well it's gonna backfire when automakers massively miss sales targets (and they will, just watch). We simply are not there with battery tech and charging infrastructure, not to mention having them shoved down our throats just makes many of us not want them even more.
I think the appeal of Tesla is the street cred (they can be very, very expensive...wow factor) and performance wayyyyy more than buying them just bc they're an EV. Like I was saying earlier, more mainstream EVs have about the same performance as ICE street counterparts so I really see zero advantage there. I'm not hating on EVs or people who love them but the rose tinted glasses are very thick in some cases.
10-30-22, 06:19 PM
#45
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Nobody is saying any of that, Mercedes as the example has said that they will only sell EVs in most markets by 2030. It’s not virtue signaling, they have literally stopped all development and are actively converting factories. This is happening.
Just because luxury carmakers will likely only be selling EVs does not mean most cars sold or certainly on the road will be EVs by 2030. The average car on the road is 12 years old…
I firmly believe that within 10 years the only way to buy a luxury car will be to buy an EV. You want an S Class? It’s going to be an EV only.
The benefit of a mainstream EV is not performance, its not having to buy fuel, and reduced maintenance and running costs.
Just because luxury carmakers will likely only be selling EVs does not mean most cars sold or certainly on the road will be EVs by 2030. The average car on the road is 12 years old…
I firmly believe that within 10 years the only way to buy a luxury car will be to buy an EV. You want an S Class? It’s going to be an EV only.
The benefit of a mainstream EV is not performance, its not having to buy fuel, and reduced maintenance and running costs.