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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
yeah you have to LOOK at the left side of the steering wheel to figure out where to touch.

of course that's even more fun to do while you're TURNING.

Are they actual buttons with a detent at least?
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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:21 PM
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Are they actual buttons with a detent at least?
They are capacitive touch buttons
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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
They don't have the range, I wouldn't buy any EV without at least 350-400 miles of range.



Are you sure about that? No Lexus I ever had did that. If you unlock them and dont open a door they will lock, but they don't lock when you walk away. Your RX doesnt even have keyless entry and start...
Maybe, I know I can set both of my LSs to auto lock regardless of state a set amount of time after all doors are closed. It's time based though not key detection based
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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
And
  1. One pedal driving
  2. Not having to "start" or "turn-off" the car when you get in to drive it or get out and leave the car
  3. The extensive SC network
  4. And very stable software (compared to Porsche)
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One pedal driving sucks, you can't freely glide along or use the brakes as easily during corners since the damn regen braking constantly throws feedback off. Feels like the car is covered in sap once you let off the gas, horrible feeling vs a free glide.

Starting is a moment of connection with the engine for the driver. I like the ritual and enjoy igniting the engine after a night of sitting, I prefer a key as well so you can feel the tumblers interact and then the detents in the lock. Higher end cars used to have extremely intentional "key feel" that would convey a certain feel and emotion to that brand. Now it's all buttons, at least the high end engine sound good to start and some brands place the button in dramatic places.
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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
They are capacitive touch buttons
Ha! That's idiotic. Haptic Touch is beyond stupid in a car since it requires you to look at it.
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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:34 PM
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Capacitive touch is nothing new.

GM had in the 1980 and the 1990s. Wasn’t terrible but you really had to take your eyes of the road to work the hvac.

For some reason, Tesla does it….and people think it’s “new” lol and the greatest thing ever lol. It’s NOT. The stalk is the best method to turn signals





FWIW….I think the Tesla Yoke is pretty cool. Interior looks weird with a full steering wheel after seeing it with the yoke

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Old Aug 24, 2022 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
One pedal driving sucks, you can't freely glide along or use the brakes as easily during corners since the damn regen braking constantly throws feedback off. Feels like the car is covered in sap once you let off the gas, horrible feeling vs a free glide.

Starting is a moment of connection with the engine for the driver. I like the ritual and enjoy igniting the engine after a night of sitting, I prefer a key as well so you can feel the tumblers interact and then the detents in the lock. Higher end cars used to have extremely intentional "key feel" that would convey a certain feel and emotion to that brand. Now it's all buttons, at least the high end engine sound good to start and some brands place the button in dramatic places.
You are One thousand percent wrong about One Pedal braking. One thousand percent. It makes the driving experience way better, especially on curvey and downhill roads because you never have to move your foot from the accelerator. I can get around a turn faster than others because I don't have to move my foot to the brakes and I'm already on the throttle. I don't know how much more I need to stress this, but you are dead wrong here. I could never live without it now that I use it everyday
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Originally Posted by Striker223
One pedal driving sucks, you can't freely glide along or use the brakes as easily during corners since the damn regen braking constantly throws feedback off. Feels like the car is covered in sap once you let off the gas, horrible feeling vs a free glide.

Starting is a moment of connection with the engine for the driver. I like the ritual and enjoy igniting the engine after a night of sitting, I prefer a key as well so you can feel the tumblers interact and then the detents in the lock. Higher end cars used to have extremely intentional "key feel" that would convey a certain feel and emotion to that brand. Now it's all buttons, at least the high end engine sound good to start and some brands place the button in dramatic places.
Let's agree to disagree. What you like and dislike is perfectly fine for you. It certainly doesn't mean it sucks for everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Hameed
Let's agree to disagree. What you like and dislike is perfectly fine for you. It certainly doesn't mean it sucks for everyone else.
You can tell when people have never used something, and this is clearly the case. It's one of those things that you wonder how you've lived without it. Yeah, I think we disagree on this
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You are One thousand percent wrong about One Pedal braking. One thousand percent. It makes the driving experience way better, especially on curvey and downhill roads because you never have to move your foot from the accelerator. I can get around a turn faster than others because I don't have to move my foot to the brakes and I'm already on the throttle. I don't know how much more I need to stress this, but you are dead wrong here. I could never live without it now that I use it everyday
You have two feet. Go track drive and tell me if one pedal driving makes any sense, remember I HAVE driven a bunch of EVs and the first thing I do is turn that as low as possible/off. It disrupts control of a car badly. I seriously can't believe you move a foot around when going fast, that just tells me you aren't really going that fast and you are the one in the wrong here since you have never really gone flat out.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
You have two feet. Go track drive and tell me if one pedal driving makes any sense, remember I HAVE driven a bunch of EVs and the first thing I do is turn that as low as possible/off. It disrupts control of a car badly. I seriously can't believe you move a foot around when going fast, that just tells me you aren't really going that fast and you are the one in the wrong here since you have never really gone flat out.
Why use two feet when you only have to use one? It also makes your brakes and rotors last over 100k. We will just respectfully agree to disagree

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Maybe, I know I can set both of my LSs to auto lock regardless of state a set amount of time after all doors are closed. It's time based though not key detection based
I never saw any ability to do that with any of my LSs. You can set them to "auto lock" but thats for when the car is unlocked and no door is opened and then it will relock after a set period of time.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Why use two feet when you only have to use one? It also makes your brakes and rotors last over 100k. We will just respectfully agree to disagree
Because it allows you to trail brake the car and rotate it into the turn and carry a faster line. You have control of the angle of the rear end that way and don't risk transferring too much weight to the front tires and losing grip and plowing. Again if you have ever driven on a track or hard on the street you would know exactly what I am talking about and why the regen braking is such a major issue when it comes to weight transfer and mid corner balance, it shifts stuff around when you may not want it to shift.

Brakes are cheap and take 20 min per wheel so I couldn't care less about 100k plus brake like when I would bet you any amount of money you want that if we hot lap 4 laps your cars brakes would be toast since I know you aren't running fluid and pads that can take it and the car is very heavy.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
You have two feet. Go track drive and tell me if one pedal driving makes any sense, remember I HAVE driven a bunch of EVs and the first thing I do is turn that as low as possible/off. It disrupts control of a car badly. I seriously can't believe you move a foot around when going fast, that just tells me you aren't really going that fast and you are the one in the wrong here since you have never really gone flat out.
We don't drive on tracks. Lots of things make sense on a track or don't make sense on a track that are the opposite in the real world. We're not trail braking or "carrying faster lines", we're driving on a road.

99.9% of drivers never go to a track, so whats best for a track doesnt mean anything to us.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Because it allows you to trail brake the car and rotate it into the turn and carry a faster line. You have control of the angle of the rear end that way and don't risk transferring too much weight to the front tires and losing grip and plowing. Again if you have ever driven on a track or hard on the street you would know exactly what I am talking about and why the regen braking is such a major issue when it comes to weight transfer and mid corner balance, it shifts stuff around when you may not want it to shift.

Brakes are cheap and take 20 min per wheel so I couldn't care less about 100k plus brake like when I would bet you any amount of money you want that if we hot lap 4 laps your cars brakes would be toast since I know you aren't running fluid and pads that can take it and the car is very heavy.
If I had the performance pack with 6 piston Brembo's I would say you were wrong, but I just have the regular non performance brakes, and I never intended or intend to take it on a track. I'm also extremely happy not to have to change my brakes often
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