At this point, the argument is stupid. Tesla built a safety system that has enough preventative measures to ensure that those who use it, are using it in goodfaith and appropriately and the system will keep them safe. If you want to go through multiple steps to defeat the system, you can but NO ONE CAN ACCIDENTLY DEFEAT THE SYSTEM. It takes premeditated intent to do so, let the idiots deal with the consequences if they do.

 

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Edit: nvm..

 

One less idiot on the road it’s for the better.

 

I think there should be protection and safeguards for when people make mistakes. That's why roads have wire barriers, water barrels and other crash mitigation measures. But purposely circumventing a system in a way you know is dangerous falls on individual responsibility. We could easily make it so you could not text or use your phone while driving (a few lines of code) and since texting and driving is proving to be more dangerous than impaired driving you'd think there would be a push to do so.

 

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to those that don't want tesla to change anything in terms of making it harder to do stupid acts like not being in the driver's seat, fine... i'll get the popcorn ready for when the class action suit comes.

why do we have gas fill up holes of different sizes to stop people putting diesel in gas cars or vice versa? why have blind spot monitoring? why have anti lock brakes? seat belts? sure, let's get rid of all the safety tech so we can 'weed out using natural selection'.

autopilot is on all teslas.

big difference. someone jumping into a canyon over the guard rail kills themselves. a car is a high speed missile and can kill a lot of innocent people.

it's harder than a 'few lines of code' because passengers should still be able to text, for example.

 

i believe they should beyond a certain point, say 25% over the limit.

i believe that's too simplistic and instead people 70 and over for example should be re-tested every 5 years for skills/awareness.

yes, my car already does this... says stop for coffee.

that was totally uncalled for.

 

All those systems prevent driver mistakes. The autopilot has driver mistake prevention. It doesn't have complete stupidity prevention. There is a difference and we won't see eye to eye on this.

 

Bag of rocks. Then what? BTW Tesla does watch the driver via inboard camera they've chosen not to nanny people.
100%, how this is being equated to purposely tricking a system is beyond me. I can disable ABS in 10 seconds should the car somehow not allow that?

 

In some cases, that's up to a judge. For example, a court can order an alcohol-breath-detection device installed in a vehicle driven by someone with a history of DWIs......assuming that the person has not already lost his or her license.

 

You are probably getting a little carried away. I doubt if anyone on this forum is rejoicing if and when Tesla gets itself in hot water. They make good BEV power-systems......arguably the best and most efficient ones in the industry right now. But the sad fact (and something that is beyond our control) is that they have neglected quality control at the factory, are led by a CEO that is brilliant on one hand and a borderline nut-case on the other, and have set up a company-owned system of retailers and service-facilities that is bulky, inefficient, and expensive for the company to maintain. So, like it or not, one must look at both the good and the bad.

 

I'm not suggesting that Tesla do nothing about this. The point I'm making is who defines where that line is drawn and what exactly is the line/capabilities that every manufacturer needs to implement to prevent people from deliberately trying to endanger themselves and others around them?

Even just getting in our cars and driving does not mean that we will not end up endangering the lives of others around us deliberately or not. Where do you draw that line?

 

I agree, but kids are doing these stunts to prove the system can be beat or to get views and earn some money/internet fame. I think Tesla should implement an update to prevent this from being possible, despite the clowns exploiting this issue.

In a way this kid is generally doing what previous Tesla owners have been doing since 2015 - that is, UAT (user acceptance testing) for Autopilot/FSD. People took their hands off the wheel for too long when Autopilot was engaged - Tesla fixed that with more noticeable alerts to the driver and requiring the driver to touch the steering wheel more frequently. Lane tracing had the car "ping ponging" a bit between the lines - Tesla fixed that in later releases. People showed that they don't need to be in the seat for autopilot to be engaged - Tesla should fix that.

 

I am quite certain of it. We've had members on this forum predicting the demise of Tesla for years, was that because they actually thought Tesla would fail? Not in my opinion it was much more about wish fulfillment.
Given the growth of Tesla I don't see how you can even begin to argue Elon is not the right man at the helm. Then consider Starlink and SpaceX.
Bulky and inefficient compared to what? Got any examples?
What company is perfect? Tesla has proven they make some of if not the safest cars on the road. As for quality control this is no doubt an issue but certainly isn't limited to Tesla. I do think Tesla could greatly improve fit and finish consistently but contrary to what you believe, quality is not just about panel gaps.