LeX2K

lol okay, in your world I guess. 50K/year for an SUV is paltry.

bagwell

Agreed, Toyota sold a record 115,974 Rav4 hybrids in NA in 2020 (322,000 standard RAV4s). https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301201199.html

Hoovey689

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And how many of those are RAV4 Primes? Hybrids and PHEV's are one thing, but the Mach E and the Model Y are Full Electrics. Apples and Oranges

50,000 is pretty decent for a full EV model, and likely to ramp up eventually. Folks need to remember that the EV market while growing is still small compared to ICE and Hybrid.

LeX2K

Apples to apples the Y will out sell the Ford 10:1.

bitkahuna

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as you know they already do that... tesla customers don't get subsidies because they've sold so many.

that's why tesla came out with this cheaper Y, to compete with ford mach e which does have the $7500 tax credit.

Hoovey689

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Agreed, no one said it wouldn't.

My response was in regards to the RAV4 comment, which there is no correlation between two full EVs and a perennial best seller in the ICE/Hybrid RAV4

LeX2K

You said nothing about sales numbers, said because of their valuation they would not be considered for any tax credit. I personally disagree any vehicle should be tax payer subsidized, but if that happens then they should all get it, or none.

SW17LS

No doubt....

bagwell

my response was to Lexus2000 SUV sales info...wasn't supposed to be an apples to apples number, it was and is a relevant typical SUV sales number.

Hoovey689

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RAV4 isn't typical though, it's a perennial top 10 selling vehicle (430,387 units good for 4th this year) out of about 250-260 car models available in the US. A typical SUV would average less. Point was, people expecting RAV4 or CR-V numbers from an EV SUV not named Tesla, need to understand that EV's are still niche and won't have top 20 status for at least a few more years. The Model 3 and Model Y are the only exception with 400,000+ units sold last year but sadly Tesla doesn't break it down by each model. Any automaker trying to gain a foothold in the EV race would gladly take 50,000 sold units with the current EV market share.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g3...ing-cars-2020/

LeX2K

Speculation is the Model Y accounts for 60-70% of total Tesla sales.

Toys4RJill

$50K is expensive.

It good to see competition

Toys4RJill

seven body on frame models in that list.

bitkahuna

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and the valuation comes from having sold so many (waaaay more than anyone else)... moving along...

i disagree with the all or none, it's a conditional incentive to encourage adoption of vehicles, to prime the pump as it were.

it's kind of sad to see that the top 3, all trucks, represent 2 MILLION unit sales.

Toys4RJill

Why is it said? You gave no explanation