BMW is one of the few ICE vehicles I would actually buy. Amazing engineering. Not so much with their electric vehicles. My friend has an i4, and he's done with it

 

I was referring to the Model Y - as the thread is about the iX3. Model Y is not the benchmark for driver involvement.

However, Tesla will make more money selling FSD software than engineering effort at driver involvement. That’s what their strategy is. BMW with the new class of vehicle is trying claw back at the ultimate driving machine, including a 51/49 weight distribution.

 

Production?

Can build a slick AWD Honda hatch for reasonable price depending on how crazy you want to go with it. 2100lbs car

 

BMW makes such a compelling vehicle that people can't stop talking about Tesla.

 

Competition is good for everyone. It's good for Tesla, good for BMW, Caddy, Kia etc. Most importantly good for the consumer.

 

Modern BMWs are actually quite reliable.

I would never even consider a Model Y over this. This will have a consumer base. The new EV GLC also looks good.

 

Yep, the current crop of BMW's are actually pretty reliable, closing the gap on Porsche for European vehicles. Like the look of the new GLC, but the interior hyper screen is overdone, felt like the designer had no screentime when growing up and had to overcompensate.

 

Yep it's BMW's single biggest investment to sustain in a very competitive market, especially from China where luxury EV's comes at a much lower price point and younger buyers don't have the concept of prestige brands anymore. BMW always had great engineering, but lacked direction and cohesion in the last decade. This may change all that.

When Toyota invested $1b (~2.5B in todays dollars) on a single project (F1), it set them up well for the next 20 years.

 

BMWs do have good rep among real BEV crowd (not Tesla investors) because they made effort to make their BEVs repairable, more so than any other manufacturer.

Whats good about this new platform is:
- low claimed consumption (Tesla level or less and 20% less than high tech Chinese)
- 800v and fast charging up to 400kw
- 108kwh battery option
- true BEV platform with frunk, lots of space.
- advanced BEV - cell to body. 7 big computers instead of 50 small ones. Seat frames mounted directly to battery. Large cylindrical batteries bigger than 4680.
- multimedia looks good (even though cylindrical approach makes so little sense)
- no push button start but it figures it out like a Tesla

Some of these things were only available on Tesla before and some were only available on Chinese expensive BEVs before.
This is first vehicle that combines 800v, fast charging, cheaper/lighter construction methods, large battery, frunk, low consumption, etc.

Tesla even moving bunch of things from Cybertruck to Y would not match it as 800v plaform from Tesla still charges slow. Yes, it is more expensive than Y but it is a BMW, premium car.

Now bad things:
- iX3 (and X3) are not luxury vehicles.
- steering wheel adjustment is manual
- Bottom plastics are Toyota grade
- Seat backs are manual at the back and you have to fold them from 2nd row
- no felt lining in bins.
- rear centre rest is base Toyota Rav4 quality
- no air suspension at $80k, no massage seats
- many things as above to make sure you get X5 if you care about luxury.

Basically, iX3 is like Lexus NX when it comes to luxury features, possibly worse. Compared to new GLC, it is missing all of the above and more.
New GLC with 800v platform has even dual speed transmission, massage, S class airmatic, crazy screen, etc, all the crazy MB stuff is available there if you want to pay for it.

BMW is very advanced German Lexus but little bit less luxurious. Premium and not luxury.

Only problem is, MB is stupid with electricity tech and BEV enthusiasts do not trust them (things such as 400v charging only available in some markets).

 

So many great posts above. 🏆

 

BMW is leading the way for legacy lux to grab market share because they are making things familiar for buyers after failing with egg shaped cans .

Being picky tho, exterior ideally should have proportions like the ix3, while the interior should follow the glc electric to make the ultimate ev cuv.

 

iX3 and GLC are clearly the most complete and competitive yet from BMW and MB. I like what I see with both of these.

 

comparing ix3 and tesla y is pointless as there will likely be an average transaction difference of 20k or more.

 

Depends, with 7500 credit disappearing i assume model y will no longer be a rav4 competitor, but rather a x3.

idk weird

 

if you look at the launch market eg UK

iX3 50 xDrive £58,755 , Tesla Y AWD £51,990

It’s not that much of a difference where buyers would disqualify it. Especially with lease.